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Episode 195: Enigma Machines’ Security Lessons for Today
Episode 195
Wednesday, 8 July, 2026
In episode 195 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Sean Atkinson and Tony Sager sit down with Ed Skoudis, President of SANS Technology Institute, and Marcus Sachs, Senior Vice President and Chief Engineer at the Center for Internet Security® (CIS®). Together, they discuss Enigma machines, their history, and their security lessons for today.Here are some highlights from our episode:00:56. Introductions to Ed and Marc01:32. What Enigma machines are and why cybersecurity folks still care about them today06:10. Enigma machines as a symbol for how we can use hacking for noble purposes07:18. How the human mind and the need for ease of use can undermine security15:59. The importance of testing when designing and maintaining a security system20:45. Why "security through obscurity" isn't actually true22:58. Curiosity, logic, and a wide range of knowledge: Essential traits for getting hired in cybersecurity today30:57. The impact of culture in shaping security policy and priorities35:09. Why artificial intelligence (AI) is the Enigma machine of 202636:11. How to learn more about Enigma machinesResourcesEpisode 189: The Present and Future of AI-enabled PentestingA Short Guide for Spotting Phishing AttemptsPenetration TestingVulnerability AssessmentsEpisode 192: How Leaders Balance Expertise and CommunicationEpisode 193: AI Security and Responsibility in EO 14409The Myth of Mythos: What It Means For Information SecurityNational Cryptologic MuseumEnigma Replica: The Enigma touchIf you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing podcast@cisecurity.org.
