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EP #58: Law Firms, PE, and MSOs: A Legal Ethics Conversation with Lucian Pera
Tuesday, 7 October, 2025
Private equity is circling the legal industry, and Lucian Pera is helping make sense of what that means for MSO law firms and beyond. Joining Chris Batz and Howard Rosenberg, Lucian breaks down how management services organizations (MSOs) and alternative business structures (ABSs) are giving outside investors new ways to participate in the economics of law - without running afoul of ethics rules like ABA Rule 5.4. Lucian makes it clear that these models are tools, not shortcuts. For some firms, an MSO structure may unlock the capital needed for technology, acquisitions, or ambitious growth plans. For others, a traditional loan or internal funding might make more sense. The critical step, he argues, is matching structure to strategy, rather than chasing the latest buzz. As interest from PE firms and family offices surges, the profession faces a choice: see outside money as a threat, or recognize the opportunities it brings to modernize how law firms operate. Lucian leans toward the latter. Just as medicine and accounting were reshaped by investment, he believes law is in the midst of its own slow-motion revolution where the business side of the profession is finally catching up with reality. For lawyers and investors alike, understanding MSOs, ABSs, and the ethics that govern them is a glimpse into where the legal market is headed next. Episode Breakdown: 00:00 Meet Lucian Pera 01:04 MSO Law Firms Explained 05:09 Rule 5.4 and Legal Compliance 09:19 Market Trends and Investor Interest 15:45 Which Law Firms Are Using MSOs 18:17 Private Capital: Threat or Opportunity? 25:19 ABS Structures in Law Firms 30:10 ABS vs. MSO: Key Differences 32:10 Future Outlook for Law Firms and PE Connect with Lucian Pera: Connect with Lucian on LinkedIn Lucian’s Website Bio Connect with Howard Rosenberg: Connect with Howard on LinkedIn Howard’s Company Web Profile Connect with Chris Batz: Connect with Chris on LinkedIn Follow Columbus Street on LinkedIn Columbus Street Website Podcast production and show notes provided by HiveCast.fm
