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AND/BOTH Podcast - Real Conversations, Shared Experiences, and the Community You've Been MissingAuthor: Dr. Ashley Blackington
Hear from moms in all different scenarios doing their absolute best to honor themselves as individuals in a world that would prefer, as mothers, we not. Hear from moms who are trying to figure out what that "something" is after the life altering transition into motherhood. Hear from moms that say "I know I need to do something for myself and this is what it is, but it feels impossible to do it" What is the AND/BOTH that you are juggling with motherhood? Career, hobbies, entrepreneurship, new identity, new activities, new passions and interests? Language: en Genres: Health & Fitness, Kids & Family, Mental Health, Parenting Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it Trailer: |
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131. Your Impact Can't Just Be Outpouring, Lisa Avila on Building Something That Sustains You Too
Episode 131
Friday, 18 September, 2026
Lisa Avila spent fifteen years in the wine industry, left to do migrant Head Start and advocacy work with families the system was failing, quit when COVID made the impossible impossible, and built a business strategy and nonprofit strategy practice on the other side of all of it. She works mostly with women. The question they all arrive with is the same one she had to answer for herself: now what?In this conversation, Ashley and Lisa talk about the nonprofit trap — the idea that wanting to make an impact means you have to be a martyr about it — why women who help people deserve to make real money doing it, what it’s like to be sandwiched between kids and aging parents at the same time, and what the next right step looks like when you’ve spent decades outpouring and finally have some space to ask what you actually want.In This EpisodeMom of three boys, fifteen years in the wine industry, migrant Head Start director — how Lisa got hereThe COVID moment that made her quit — and why her boss didn’t understand until she had kids of her ownThe nonprofit trap — why women who want to make an impact keep being told it has to be unprofitableWhy you can make a lot of money and still help people — and why we need to stop acting like those are oppositesThe golden handcuff — when the organizations saying “we support women” require them to be nonprofits to qualifyWhat migrant Head Start actually looks like — and what happens to student records when families move across the countryThe political reality of advocacy in a conservative agricultural town in CaliforniaRed cards, rights, and what’s changed for immigrant families since COVIDThe Panini generation — being sandwiched between kids and an eighty-one year old mother, in perimenopauseThree boys 17, 19, and 20 — what it’s like when two come home from college for the summerThe client going global with her nonprofit — four years from a Facebook group to international impactThe client who sat on her cancer journey poems for seven years and finally published themWhat the “now what” looks like — the question every woman Lisa works with is askingNon-negotiables: a bath every night, coffee, a walk, girlfriends who keep it realThe airstream barbecue and dive bar tour — her plan for empty nest lifeQuotes From This Episode“Why can’t we make a lot of money and still help people? There’s nothing wrong with that. Why do we have to wear our heart on our sleeve and be martyrs?”— Lisa Avila“I’m not putting it out there that I only work with mothers, but it’s just this energy we’re drawn to — this now what.”— Lisa Avila“I was checking boxes for decades. Just outpour, outpour, outpour. And what did it get me?”— Lisa Avila“Your impact can’t just be outpouring. It has to be self-sustaining. Otherwise that’s how everyone flames out.”— Ashley Blackington“I am physically hot and I am pressed for time and patience and all of the things.”— Ashley Blackington (on the Panini generation)Find LisaLinkedIn: Lisa AvilaTikTok: @LisaAvilaCoConnect with Ashley:Website: https://www.ashleyblackington.comPodcast website: https://www.andbothpodcast.com/Dovetail® App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dovetail-app/id6744341822Instagram: @mydovetail.appLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleyblackington/
