Ordinary To Badass

Author: Marie Sonneman

A podcast for women who are capablebut tired of being overlooked in rooms not built for them. Hosted by Marie Sonneman, a law enforcement lieutenant turned leadership coach, this podcast delivers unfiltered conversations, practical career advice, and leadership strategies for women in predominantly male industries. From quiet confidence to strategic visibility, youll hear how women rise without shrinking or burning outand how to build a life that doesnt disappear in the process. If youre ready to be unmistakable at work and protect what matters outside of it, youre in the right place.
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449: Don't outshine the master
Episode 449
Monday, 20 July, 2026

She spent 20 years earning a seat that was never built for her — and found out the hard way that being good at the job doesn't make you safer. It makes you a bigger threat....Retired Fire Chief Deena Johnson Lee joins Marie to talk about what actually happens once you start winning in a predominantly male industry: the "belonging trust" nobody tells you about, the women who turn against other women, and the moment a boyfriend in the academy told her, "I just don't want you to be better than me at anything."...This one covers the unwritten rules nobody hands you on day one, why competence alone never gets you accepted, and the question that changes everything: would you rather be liked, or respected?...Listen if you're tired of doing everything right — and still getting picked apart for it.