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Author: Stephanie Corey

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The New Standard for Legal Leadership
Episode 28
Tuesday, 10 February, 2026

Episode Summary How does Legal move from cost center to growth engine as expectations rise? Ron Bell, Chief Legal and Administrative Officer at Collective Health, joins Steph Corey to discuss the new standard for legal leadership and what it really takes for Legal to prove value, earn trust, and perform when the margin for error is small, and expectations keep going up. Listen to the UpLevel View and improve your legal leadership vision today! Links & Resources Collective Health: collectivehealth.com Ron Bell: linkedin.com/in/ronsbell/ UpLevel Ops: http://UplevelOps.com Above The Law: http://AbovetheLaw.com Keywords Legal leadership Cost center to growth engine Legal operations AI in legal Strategic GC Risk management Value storytelling Legal metrics Adaptability Business-first legal Above the Law Episode Highlights 00:00–02:15 - The rising bar for legal leadership and shrinking margin for error 02:15–03:38 - Why Legal is still treated like a cost center—and how that narrative formed 03:38–04:31 - Reframing Legal from ballast to motor 04:31–05:30 - Legal judgment vs. Legal's true job 05:30–06:39 - Outsource, automate, or stop doing the work 06:39–08:00 - Maintenance, protection, and aspirational legal work 08:00–09:31 - How experienced lawyers learn to focus on what actually matters 09:31–10:26 - AI's role in automating low-value legal work 10:26–12:23 - Why GCs get stuck in the weeds—and how to get out 12:23–13:44 - Stakeholder overload and expectation-setting 13:44–15:20 - Telling the right value story to earn respect and resources 15:20–17:02 - Being brought in early vs. "raining on the parade" 17:02–18:57 - Metrics that matter—and metrics that mislead 18:57–21:19 - Legal ops as strategic partner, not support function 21:19–25:49 - Change management and adoption challenges 25:49–31:49 - AI's impact on legal teams, hiring, and structure 31:49–34:12 - Skills future legal leaders must build 34:12–37:03 - Legal's opportunity to shape trust in unstable times 37:03–40:46 - Adaptability as the ultimate career advantage