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Five Questions Over Coffee with Jamie Toyne (ep. 121)
Thursday, 24 April, 2025
Who is Jamie?Jamie Toyne is a seasoned coach who specializes in empowering creatives and entrepreneurs with ADHD, helping them navigate burnout and rediscover joy in their professional journeys. With over 13 years of experience working alongside entrepreneurs, Jamie has developed a deep understanding of the challenges they face. His career began as an M&A adviser, where he honed his expertise in business strategy and growth. Transitioning from consulting to coaching around five years ago, Jamie's unique approach is informed by his firsthand experience running startups and an accelerator program. Today, he is dedicated to guiding his clients towards achieving their goals while maintaining optimal performance and enjoying the process.Key Takeaways00:00 Coaching ADHD creatives and entrepreneurs overcoming burnout.06:42 Action as reward: Journey's flow prevents burnout.07:48 Rebuild brain-body connection for optimal flow state.12:16 Developed ADHD program, blending flow and neuroscience.16:05 Clear alignment needed with personal values, actions.18:52 Jamie's website resource helps counter social media distractions.21:00 Looking forward to your help improving flow._________________________________________________________________________________________________Subscribe to our newsletter and get details of when we are doing these interviews live at https://TCA.fyi/newsletterFind out more about being a guest at : link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/beaguestSubscribe to the podcast at https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/podcastHelp us get this podcast in front of as many people as possible. Leave a nice five-star review at apple podcasts : https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/apple-podcasts and on YouTube : https://link.thecompleteapproach.co.uk/Itsnotrocketscienceatyt!Here's how you can bring your business to THE next level:If you are a business owner currently turning over £/$10K - £/$50K per month and want to grow to £/$100K - £/$500k per month download my free resource on everything you need to grow your business on a single page :It's a detailed breakdown of how you can grow your business to 7-figures in a smart and sustainable way————————————————————————————————————————————-TranscriptNote, this was transcribed using a transcription software and may not reflect the exact words used in the podcast)SUMMARY KEYWORDSADHD business coach, entrepreneurial journey, burnout symptoms, energy levels, executive function, adult ADHD, business scaling, business exit, inattentive ADHD, hyperactive ADHD, flow state, focus improvement, alignment, self-esteem, creative entrepreneurs, business motivation, coaching strategies, flow research, internal family systems, VAST, social media distraction, mergers and acquisitions, neuroscience of flow, mindset, business performance, energy management, cognitive overload, high performance program, true nature, ADHD diagnosis, flow blockers.SPEAKERSJamie Toyne, Stuart WebbStuart Webb [00:00:31]:Hi there, and welcome back to It's Not Rocket Science 5 questions over coffee. I have my, mug in front of me here filled with what I could only assume is coffee. It's looking a bit brown and sludgy now because it's been made a while, so, it won't be so so good. But it keeps me awake. And I'm delighted to be joined today by Jamie, Jamie Toyne. Jamie Toyne is a a a certified ADHD business coach. He helps you to unlock your ADHD superpowers and soak your Purna. And I know he's been involved in starting, scaling, and exiting businesses.Stuart Webb [00:01:06]:So I'm really looking forward to a great conversation with Jamie. Jamie, welcome to It's Not Rocket Science 5 Questions Over Coffee.Jamie Toyne [00:01:13]:Thanks, Stuart. Nice to be here.Stuart Webb [00:01:16]:So, Jamie, let's start with the obvious question. Look. Tell us a little bit about the sort of business person you're trying to help. What's the what's the sort of problems they're probably noticing in and around their business, their life? How do they recognize that they're the sort of person that you're trying to help?Jamie Toyne [00:01:37]:Yeah. So I work with creatives and entrepreneurs who have ADHD and generally starting from a place of burnout. And they're basically sort of struggling to, a, enjoy the journey of reaching their goals and, b, sort of perform at their best, and enjoy the process of getting towards their goals. So, that's sort of the target audience of people that I work with. It took me a little while to, get there. I've been working with entrepreneurs for 13 years. I was a m and a adviser for many years, and have run a few startups myself and, and run an accelerator program. And, I moved from consulting into coaching, like, 4 or 5 years ago.Jamie Toyne [00:02:27]:And then really only in the last 2 years that I sort of really narrow down on working with people who specifically struggle with burnout and specifically have ADHD.Stuart Webb [00:02:38]:And and tell me, what do you think are the the major symptoms of something like burnout, Jamie? What what are what are people sort of because it it manifests very differently in a number of different people. So what is it you're looking to sort of point people towards to say, you know, this might be you if you're feeling this?Jamie Toyne [00:02:55]:Yeah. So one is like energy. So if you're, like, feeling constantly physically, emotionally, or mentally exhausted, that's a big that's a big one. If your performance is, like, significantly below your sort of baseline or your average, another one is, like, your sort of self esteem and attitude, like, if you're easily frustrated or easily irritable or have a lot of negative thoughts about yourself or other people, that's another big symptom. So what what have we got? We got motivation, energy, you know, sort of attitude, self esteem, and I guess motivation is the other really obvious one if you're really struggling to get motivated.Stuart Webb [00:03:38]:And and what sort of things are you likely to have found, these people do to try and resolve these issues before they they come and speak with an expert such as yourself?Jamie Toyne [00:03:50]:Well, the obvious one, you know, a lot of people, you know, there's, you know, been a big, like, surgeon surgeons of, surgeons surge of, of, like, adult ADHD diagnoses. A lot of peopleStuart Webb [00:04:04]:Yeah.Jamie Toyne [00:04:05]:Didn't get picked up for ADHD in childhood, which is for a number of reasons, but a lot of people, you know, there's 2 main types of ADHD. 1 is, hyperactive and the other one's inattentive, and then there's the the combo, the delicious combo of hyperactive, inattentive, which I'm so lucky to have. But, yeah, a lot of people that had inattentive ADHD didn't really, you know, show those, like, very classical a d a ADD symptoms back in, back in the eighties, nineties, and early 2000. So, you know, an obvious thing is to see a psychiatrist and, you know, get medicated that's, you know, has has some efficacy with focus and ability, you know, to improve their executive function and stuff like that. The obvious other one is, like, you know, taking a break, going on a holiday, and and doing all those types of things. What other things do people do, when they're feeling burnt out? Well, some people actually push harder. Some people double down and sort of go like, whoop. I'm feeling like I'm sort of stuck in the mud here.Jamie Toyne [00:05:10]:I need to push even harder to just, like, get through this bit. And, you know, once I reach the top of my my mountain, then I'll be able to relax. So, yeah, people approach it differently.Stuart Webb [00:05:20]:And you never quite get to the top of that particular mountain, do you, Jamie? That's the problem. Like, you know, you you climb a mountain, you think to yourself, this is the peak, and you see a further peak. It's like being sort of, you know, up in the the mountains of any any location. You sort of you push a peak, and there's another peak further on. You can never quite see the top of the mountain, can you?Jamie Toyne [00:05:39]:That's usually what happens. Yeah.Stuart Webb [00:05:42]:So tell me, is there a piece of advice, a a a valuable sort of, something that you would offer people to sort of say, look. Here's one thing that you could do, one one way of getting out of this, or or, you know, here am I. Come talk to me.Jamie Toyne [00:05:56]:Sure. Yeah. I I really when I when I started researching burnout, I really wanted to come up with, like, what, you know, what is no one likes to enjoy the, experience of burnout. What's the opposite of burnout? What's the antithesis of burnout? And and the best answer I can find to that question is is flow. And, you know, we all sort of understand what flow is. It's when you're sort of totally absorbed or wrapped in the in the present moment, and, you know, every sort of action and decision sort of flows effortlessly and and sort of clicks into place. Right? And that's when we feel intrinsically motivated. And I think I think the interesting thing about flow is that it's an autotelic experience.Jamie Toyne [00:06:42]:So the action becomes the reward in and of itself. So talking about that that journey, the entrepreneurial journey, you know, a lot of people struggle to enjoy the journey, and they're so focused on getting to the top of their mountain that they'll do anything to get there. And the journey's usually a lot of suffering and and and and pain, and grit and, and hustle, basically. And so, you know, really the idea is, you know, I I sort of think of burnout on one end of the spectrum and flow on the other. And so if we can get into flow, where we sort of become immune to burnout is is is what I've found personally and what I've found for for my clients as well. And so, the advice or the the tip I could give, is really thinking about the way that we approach, manage the management of ourself, like, the that almost our relationship with ourself. And so I'll give you an example. You know, there's there's a part of ourselves which I might call the higher self or the or the general who's you know, that's sort of the prefrontal cortex.Jamie Toyne [00:07:48]:That's the part of the brain that's, coming up with strategy and setting the vision and setting goals and tasks and and organizing everything, and writing your to do list and things like that. And then you have, you know, your lower self or the or the workhorse as I call it, or what Tim Go away would refer to as second self, which is sort of the intuitive body and also the the part of you that actually has to sit down and do the work, and actually execute. So when I was a tennis player, you know, that'd be a part of me that would be deciding where I'm gonna hit the ball and how I'm gonna structure the point, and then there'd be the actual part of me that actually has to swing my racket. And, usually, what I see is when we are burnt out, that relationship between those two parts is completely disintegrated and broken down. And so, what I really focus on with my clients is helping rebuild that relationship, and so that those two parts are working together as a team. And that's when we start to get into flow. So it's almost like designing our environment and our systems and the way that our business operates to be aligned with what I would call our true nature. Right? Because I think flow our our flow state or our our state of flow is essentially our natural state of being, And it's the conditioning and the stress and the, you know, all the things that we complicate our lives with that block us from flow.Jamie Toyne [00:09:12]:And so what I really would recommend is, like, trying to identify the things that are blocking you from flow and removing them, and that's the quickest way to resolving burnout. And so an example of things that would be blocking you from flow would be things anything that you're putting energy into where that energy seems to leak out and it drains your energy. So if you're putting the energy into something and it rebounds back to you and it's energizing, it's in alignment. And if that energy's flowing out, and flowing one way, it's probably out of alignment. And so that could be a relationship in your personal life. It could be a business partner, an investor. It could be a customer type. It could be some way that you're structuring your business or the hours you're working.Jamie Toyne [00:09:50]:It could be anything. And so really doing a bit of an audit of everything that you think might be zapping your energy and really looking at that and looking at ways that you can either remove that or optimize it or modify it so that, you know, it's, it's more in alignment and it's, it's not blocking you from flow, but it's creating space for flow to emerge, your natural state of being.Stuart Webb [00:10:13]:So I've just dropped a link into the bottom of the, the screen that anybody can see here, which is where you offer a free coaching call for somebody who perhaps wanna wants to go back and discover that state of flow. And I know what you mean by flow. It's something which, well, obviously, you as a former professional sportsman, really sort of appreciate the the ability to sort of get into that point where the the point in where in your business, for instance, you are no longer thinking about everything that has to happen. It's happening, and you're able to move your your thoughts to sort of, you know, the future, the strategy, rather than having to be thinking about what happens next in this business in order to just keep it alive, which is kind of, you know, my level of tennis. I don't know. Yours is probably slightly better than that. My level of tennis is how do I manage to keep this ball from actually sort of just dropping on this side of the net, and I never see it again. But, you know, you need to get to that state, don't you, with your business, which is where, you know, the you the the racket swing is happening.Stuart Webb [00:11:08]:It's moving the ball to where you want your opponent to be, and you're thinking about sort of right what you know, when I finish this game, I'm gonna have a really nice dinner because I'll I'll reward myself having having beaten this guy. So that is the state that we need to get our business to. Jamie, let's let's move on to something which I hope is is gonna sort of give a bit of an insight into is there a is there a a a course, a program, a a book, something which actually brought you to the point at which you understood maybe your own h ADHD, maybe the way in which you can sort of sort of conquer some of these ADHD feelings. And at this point, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna flash up the fact we've got Therese Baptiste who is a I love Therese. She's watching in. So, Therese, hi. I know you're somebody that really understands this sort of thing. You have so much energy yourself.Stuart Webb [00:11:58]:I'm not even gonna try and sort of compete with you. So hello, Therese. Jamie, let's get back to the to the point, you know. Is there a particular book, of course, or something which helped you to understand flow, helped you to understand how you recover flow in your life, how you started to sort of bring this into your own coaching practice?Jamie Toyne [00:12:16]:Yeah. I I so I was I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child, so I've I've always known I've had it. I I was never medicated, so I've I've sort of learned different strategies and techniques just by through trial and error and a lot a lot of suffering and and three pretty significant burnouts throughout my life. But I did recently the most recent training I've done is a ADHD training program done with a woman called Brooke Schmidtman, who's fantastic. So that was a really cool I've done a bunch of study on sort of the neuroscience of flow states and and and burnout. So it was really cool to, you know, I sort of developed this high performance program for entrepreneurs and then to really marry the the the neuroscience of flow with the neuroscience, and psychology of of of ADHD, was was was really sort of what allowed me to develop the curriculum for this program that I run, which is called FlowJo. I was talking about the relationship between different parts of ourselves. You know, I wanna credit, internal family systems or parts theory, as, you know, it's a sort of a 50 year old, psychotherapy practice that has been, you know, pretty transformational for me personally.Jamie Toyne [00:13:26]:I've been working with an IFS practitioner for years, and I've done a short training on that. Also, the Flow Research Collective, I'd love to, you know, credit them. I did their program 0 to dangerous, which sort of really talks about the mechanics of flow and how to cultivate flow states, and sort of in sort of the biohacking and, you know, hacking the sort of biology in the mind for flow. So that was that was pretty pretty amazing as well. And then, you know, all the coaching training that I've done in those courses have been massive. I got so much out of that for for myself, and it's allowed me to, you know, really feel confident, working on a month with clients as well.Stuart Webb [00:14:10]:Brilliant. We're we're kinda getting towards the end of this, time now, Jamie. I'm thankful that you that you know what to sort of, you know, bring yourself to sort of just spend a few minutes with us. But I kinda wanna ask you one final question, but the the question that I wanna ask you is is probably one that I would prefer that you sort of, you know, ask of of yourself. And and what is that question that I have not yet asked that you think is the most important one that you think that we should be we should be hearing? And and, obviously, now that you've asked yourself the question, you need to answer it. Just my way of not actually doing all the work here on the podcast and making you do it more.Jamie Toyne [00:14:51]:What question would I would be most useful? Well, I talked about burnout and flow and how flow is sort of the the antidote to burnout. So I guess and I talked about removing the blockers. I guess, maybe the next practical question that people would have is, like, what are those blockers? What are and, you know, how what's an example of how you could remove them? So I'd be happy to answer that.Stuart Webb [00:15:16]:Good good question, Jamie. What are those blockers? What is it that we should be we should be looking at?Jamie Toyne [00:15:22]:Well, I mean, they can be anything as I mentioned before, but I like to categorize them into sort of 5 main areas. The first one is clarity, and so that's really, you know, as I mentioned, flow is your natural state of being. So really what you're trying to do is connect back with your true nature. And so being really clear on who you are, what your passion, your your your purpose, your values, your vision for the future, your mission, all of those things, having that really crystal clear. A lot of people have done exercises like that, but often when I ask people, describe what your purpose is in a single sentence, or what's your what's your mission in a single sentence? A lot of people really don't know how to answer that, and they need about 10Stuart Webb [00:16:03]:sentences toJamie Toyne [00:16:03]:answer it.Stuart Webb [00:16:04]:So Good point.Jamie Toyne [00:16:05]:I think being really clear on that. Once you're really clear on that, the second blocker is, alignment. And so, we I talked about the two way energy flow, so I won't go back into that. But, essentially, once you're really clear on who you are and what your true nature is, it's very easy to identify things that are out of alignment with you. Right? And so an example for me is, when I was running my mergers and acquisitions company, we were an all commissioned business, and it meant that we had a negative cash flow cycle. So we're always doing the service up front, and it just meant that and and my employees were, were on a heavy commission basis. And so just just the ups and turns, you know, the ups and downs of the market and whatever, it just meant that when there was volatility in the market, there was volatility in my my team and my company and my my whole life, and it didn't really align with the way that I wanted to live my life. And so that business model was just not aligned with with me and my what my values were in the way that I wanted to create sort of safety for my team.Jamie Toyne [00:17:04]:So, I I mean, that's one of the main reasons I burnt out in that business that I I ended up exiting a few years later. So, that's an example. 3 is focus. That's a really obvious one. Attention, like, you know, we live in an ADHD world now, so even if you don't have ADHD, a lot of people are struggling with variable attention stimulus trait, which is, basically, you're experiencing all the symptoms of ADHD, but it's not a permanent neurological disorder of the brain like I have. It's just, basically an environmental thing that's been created through cognitive overload, which is being caused through the way that we integrate you know, interact with, with digital media and and wherever else. So that's the other really big one. The 4th, sort of blocker of flow or culprit of flow is mindset, and that's pretty self explanatory, but limiting beliefs and all the rest of it.Jamie Toyne [00:17:56]:And then the 5th and final one is just energy. You know, if we're if we're burning the candle at both ends, we're just, you know, we there's there's there's no resources there to to to flow, to get into flow. Your rivers run dry. So there's some of the 5 areas. And, yeah, like I said, the audit is probably, you know, just auditing everything and and and realizing, like, where where are my blockers. And, actually, on my website, I have a free diagnostic tool. You can answer a bunch of questions, and it will give you an analysis of where you sit on the spectrum of burnt out to flowing. There's sort of 7 levels, and it will also give you a breakdown of those 5 blockers.Jamie Toyne [00:18:35]:So it'll tell you, you know, whether your mindset's closer to burnout or blocking, and you can sort of start to identify what areas, might be causing blockages, you know, that keep you at risk of burning out, and stop you from sort of performing at your peak, and flying.Stuart Webb [00:18:52]:Useful. Useful. And I think that's a really useful resource. If people wanna go to Jamie's website, there will be notes in the, in the show notes where we'll put a link to that so that people can see that, get on there, and have a look at that. Jamie, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us. Personally, I am really aware of the very dangerous nature sometimes of social media that can that can prevent that flow state, the ping, the dingle from the phone, the side of the desk, that constant reminder that we should be looking at it because it's not in our interest. It's in the, interest of the social media companies that run those platforms to keep us engaged on that. It doesn't help our flow state at all.Stuart Webb [00:19:29]:So turn off those pings. Turn off that thing that sort of pops up at the bottom of your screen that tells you you've got a new email. You don't need to worry about that email. If you're in a flow state, forget the email. It'll wait for several hours quite often, honestly. So turn off your phones, turn off those pop ups, focus on what you're doing. I know they're the things which really present me prevent me from getting into flow. So I'm I'm really big into what some of what Jamie mentioned in that third part of his what can prevent your flow, for you there.Stuart Webb [00:19:58]:So I'm really, really hopeful that people learn how to do that in the coming year. Jamie, thank you so much for spending a few minutes with us. Really appreciate you spending a few minutes here. I'm just gonna sort of put out the appeal that if, if you'd like to be able, like Therese was today, joining in with the conversation, watching these things live on LinkedIn each Tuesday that we do them, if you go to this link, which is httpscolonforward/forward/link.thecompleteapproach.co.ukforward/newsletter, I've gotta make something shorter than that soon in order to get that. But if you go to link dot the complete approach dotco.ukforwardsmash newsletter, there you will find a very simple form. It just asks for your first name. It asks for your email address. That's all it is.Stuart Webb [00:20:42]:You give you put that in. I will then send you an email once a week, which says this is who's coming on. This is what they're gonna talk about. This is where you join us. Come on. Join. Have a really great conversation with the guests that we have coming on to this podcast. Jamie, thank you very much for spending a few minutes with us.Stuart Webb [00:21:00]:Really appreciate it. And I look forward to watching what you do to help those of us who are struggling with flow to get better again, in the coming months.Jamie Toyne [00:21:11]:Thanks, Stuart. Get full access to It's Not Rocket Science! at thecompleteapproach.substack.com/subscribe
