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Punk Rock SafetyAuthor: Ben Goodheart, David Provan, Ron Gantt
This podcast isn't meant to make you feel better about your ideas on safety. A lot of them are probably wrong. We're not saying you arent smart or that we are, but probability isn't in our favor. Its just a recognition that there are a lot of shitty ideas about safety out there, and pure chance suggests we all share some of them. This podcast is here to fight safety bullshit. The three of us Ben, Dave, and Ron are here to talk about organizational safety, resilience, and human performance, but with a different perspective on things than you might be used to. Punk rock is about abandoning ideas that arent useful, being unafraid to push boundaries and sometimes fail, and doing it yourself when the things you need dont exist. Heres what Greg Graffin from Bad Religion says: Punk is a process of questioning and commitment to understanding that results in self-progress, and by extrapolation, could lead to social progress. Punk is a belief that this world is what we make of it. Truth comes from our understanding of the way things are, not from the blind adherence to prescriptions about the way things should be. Sounds good to us. Question everything. Do cool shit that works. Merch at www.punkrocksafetymerch.com Language: en Genres: Business, Education, Management, Self-Improvement Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it |
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Ep. 50: Skinny Mike (w/ Mike Rayo)
Episode 50
Tuesday, 3 March, 2026
It's big episode 50 over here at Punk Rock Safety, and the boys have made it exactly 49 episodes further than anyone would have thought. By now, you've probably caught on to the whole NOFX theme. It's not a song title for the episode, but it's a reference to Fat Mike, so that counts. Except this time, we've got Skinny Mike. Mike Rayo from THE Ohio State University's Cognitive Systems Engineering Lab joins the boys. By the way, that's Doctor Ron Gantt's Alma Mater in case you were keeping track. This fiftieth episode leans pretty hard into chaos and systems thinking. Ben is doing some sunset broadcasting from a dog park at a South Carolina truck stop. If you listen close, you can hear Jake brakes highlighting the smart things Mike says. The boys also wander into a discussion about AI’s awkward fit inside socio-technical systems, the gap in designing for joint cognitive activity, and why adaptive capacity remains the neglected pillar in safety investments. There's something for everyone, and Ron gets his joint cognitive activity, so that's a bonus. Professor Mike Rayo drops an integrated frame for “modern safety” (or “balanced safety”) and tackles the stupid “safety label wars” that have come up more than a few times. It's a little like deciding what counts as "punk," though, so don't expect that to be completely solved (except if you're the one telling everyone they aren't punk enough, you're probably the asshole). The coolest part of the episode is probably the whole discussion on adaptive capacity moving from a footnote in most safety discussions to the thing that actually makes it happen. Want to hear how the guys solve it? Check it out, punks. Even though Mike doesn't have any tattoos, mostly has instruments just lying around, and isn't really that into punk, he's real one - and he's a kick ass example of how Henry Rollins defines punk: "Questioning anything and everything.” Get after it. DISCLAIMER: You probably shouldn't take anything in this podcast too seriously. Punk Rock Safety is for entertainment only. It's definitely not a replacement for professional or legal advice, and the fair amount of piss-taking, shithousery, and general ridiculousness ought to clue you into the fact that no one - and no organization - is endorsing (or un-endorsing, if that's a thing) any products, ideas, or other things. Except NOFX. We definitely endorse them.Oh, and give your money to Punk Rock Saves Lives. They're a rad organization that works in mental health, addiction, and human rights. And they're awesome people who can use your help to keep on kicking ass at what they do.https://www.punkrocksaveslives.org/Let us know what you think at info@punkrocksafety.com or on our LinkedIn page.Merch at punkrocksafetymerch.com
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