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On Navigating the BANI Future: Bob Johansen on Embracing Uncertainty with Clarity
Episode 36
Thursday, 15 January, 2026
In this thought-provoking episode,Lorenzo Lebrija talks with futurist Bob Johansen to delve into the concept of a "BANI world"—characterized by being brittle, anxious, nonlinear, and incomprehensible. Their discussion challenges listeners to rethink the language we use to describe our current reality and the implications it has for leadership and community.Bob shares insights from his extensive experience at the Institute for the Future and emphasizes the need for leaders to cultivate adaptability and clarity in an era where traditional frameworks like VUCA (Volatile, Uncertain, Complex, Ambiguous) no longer suffice. The conversation explores how faith can be a powerful asset in navigating uncertainty and how leaders who learn quickly will thrive in these chaotic times.Listeners will gain valuable perspectives on how to frame the future positively, embracing bendability in the face of brittleness, attentiveness amidst anxiety, and interconnectedness in an incomprehensible world. This episode is essential for anyone seeking to understand the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for faith communities and beyond.KeywordsBANI world, leadership, adaptability, faith, community, uncertainty, futures thinkingTakeawaysThe BANI framework offers a new lens to understand the complexities of modern life.Leaders must be adaptable and willing to embrace uncertainty rather than seek rigid certainties.Faith can provide a foundation for resilience in unpredictable times.Building relationships and community is essential for navigating anxiety and fostering hope.Interconnectedness and diverse perspectives are crucial in addressing the challenges of a BANI world.
