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Bob 'n Joyce Talk HR 'n ODA podcast about success, failure, and hacks in HR/OD. Our goal is to help HR and OD practitioners, working in large organizations, be bolder and generate new ideas for higher impact. Author: Bob Stapleton and Joyce Wilson-Sanford
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Episode 225: The Culture You Have (Not the One You Talk About)
Episode 225
Monday, 16 February, 2026
If your leadership team defines culture by your values statement, engagement scores, or what you wish were true — you don’t know your culture. You’re describing your aspirations. In this episode, Bob ’n Joyce challenge leaders and OD practitioners to stop treating culture like a slogan and start treating it like a system. Using a disciplined lateral thinking methodology, they show how to uncover what really drives behavior — the unwritten rules, the workarounds, the quiet power dynamics, and the habits that get rewarded and repeated. Not the culture on the wall. The culture in motion. Why does this matter? Because culture determines how decisions actually get made. It shapes who advances, what gets funded, what gets tolerated, and what quietly dies. Strategy doesn’t fail because it’s flawed. It fails because culture wins. Lateral thinking offers an indirect, disruptive way to see your organization as it actually operates — not as you’ve convinced yourself it does. And once you can see it clearly, you can lead it intentionally. Because whether you define it or not, your culture is defining you.
