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Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron HeroldThe World's Leading Network for the 2nd in Command Author: Second in Command with Cameron Herold
Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast hosted by Cameron Herold, brought to you by the COO Alliance, where top-level COOs share their insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the Chief Behind the Chief. Cameron Herold founded the COO Alliance with one simple goal in mind: to provide COOs with the same professional development and growth opportunities CEOs have enjoyed for many years. COO Alliance is the world's leading network for the Second in Command. Cameron Herold is a top business consultant, best-selling author, and speaker. Hes the mastermind behind hundreds of companies exponential growth and hes touched thousands of businesses indirectly through his work. Language: en Genres: Business, Entrepreneurship, Management Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it |
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Ep. 553 - Zingerman’s Mail Order Managing Partner Tom Root - What Systems Turn 800 New Hires Into All-Stars
Thursday, 12 February, 2026
Ever wondered how legendary operations leaders onboard 800 seasonal hires for world-class performance in just 30 minutes? What if your biggest edge wasn’t tech, but radical clarity, proven systems, and the courage to democratize what most companies hide?In this revealing conversation, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Tom Root, Managing Partner at Zingerman’s Mail Order and a driving force behind its remarkable open-book management culture. Tom isn’t just running a $24M operation; he’s helping to architect the Zingerman’s way, a playbook that turns consensus, culture, and scientific thinking into a market advantage.Dive in to discover how Tom’s team hires 800 people for the holidays, keeps SOPs thrillingly relevant, leverages just-in-time knowledge systems, and makes “lean” truly work. If you crave real answers on scaling without chaos or losing culture, THIS episode is your exclusive playbook to operational victory. Listen now to avoid another year of stalled growth, outdated systems, and disconnected teams.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why “democratization” is a double-edged sword for accountability[03:07] – Zingerman’s wild origin: Russian anarchists, consensus, no classic CEO—and their bold growth vision[06:37] – Why illustrated food (not photos) is marketing magic…and why it works[13:27] – The single ops lever for onboarding 800 people in 30 minutes (no, it’s not superstar managers)[17:28] – Secrets behind just-in-time knowledge, digital twins, and how training is dead[23:15] – “Tim’s Law”: What happens when only one person “knows everything” and how to fix it[28:41] – Radical SOP audits, the core mistake most leaders make (and how Tom solved it)[31:39] – How open-book management paid off $300K debt and kept Zingerman’s profitable every year since[42:09] – Scientific thinking vs. the “tools” trap, and why organizations resist outsidAbout the GuestTom Root is Managing Partner at Zingerman’s Mail Order, part of the legendary Zingerman’s Community of Businesses in Michigan. He’s recognized for championing open book management, building empowered teams, and pioneering proven operational systems that help Zingerman’s scale their beloved brand while keeping culture alive. Tom’s unique perspective joins hands-on leadership with a background in tech, manufacturing, and continuous improvement.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesZingerman’s Community of BusinessesOpen Book ManagementLean Manufacturing / Toyota KataGoogle Sites (for internal wikis)
