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Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron HeroldThe World's Leading Network for the 2nd in Command Author: Second in Command with Cameron Herold
Welcome to the Second in Command Podcast hosted by Cameron Herold, brought to you by the COO Alliance, where top-level COOs share their insights, tactics, and strategies that made them the Chief Behind the Chief. Cameron Herold founded the COO Alliance with one simple goal in mind: to provide COOs with the same professional development and growth opportunities CEOs have enjoyed for many years. COO Alliance is the world's leading network for the Second in Command. Cameron Herold is a top business consultant, best-selling author, and speaker. Hes the mastermind behind hundreds of companies exponential growth and hes touched thousands of businesses indirectly through his work. Language: en Genres: Business, Entrepreneurship, Management Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it |
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Ep. 554 - Springs Rejuvenation CMO Isaac Tobelen - How To Scale to $500K Monthly and Manage $36 Million in Ad Spend
Tuesday, 17 February, 2026
Feeling the pressure to scale but terrified of losing your best people, or watching team morale dissolve as your business grows?This episode, guest host Sivana Brewer gets real with Isaac Tobelen, current CMO at Springs Rejuvenation and seasoned COO, on the inside challenges of recruiting, retaining, and motivating talent in rapid-growth settings. Isaac shares proven systems for hiring culture-aligned operators, the brutal mistakes that cost him top performers, and how “Innovation Day” became a surprising game-changer for agency culture.If you want actionable tactics to build a resilient team and avoid silent exits, listen now, not later. Your next big hire, retention strategy, or culture upgrade may hinge on these lessons. Tune in for exclusive, hard-won insights that most COOs only learn the hard way.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The “quiet risk” that nearly cratered Isaac’s agency and why losing one key player can trigger a domino effect[03:08] – Rewiring direct response marketing for an unexpected industry and scaling it to $1.2M/month[08:59] – Why competitors keep stealing Isaac’s ads, but can’t touch his team’s execution[11:08] – The secret overlap of visionary CEO and practical COO—why it worked for Isaac and Ashton[13:49] – How teaching people “how to think” crushed micromanagement and burnout[15:02] – The counterintuitive hiring process that filters for real values (not just resume skills)[24:29] – Unconventional interview tactics, homework, and the non-negotiables that reveal true fit[32:00] – “Innovation Day” revealed – How letting teams fail forward built trust and inspired breakthrough creativity[38:11] – Isaac’s 2 biggest mistakes: concentrated risk and a disastrous acquisition—what he’d do differently[52:44] – Is AI really changing everything? Isaac’s blunt take on what’s hype, what actually matters, and why talent must upskill nowAbout the GuestIsaac Tobelen is the Chief Marketing Officer at Springs Rejuvenation, a leader in stem cell and exosome therapy. Previously, he was COO at Hemon Media, where he scaled the agency to $500K/month in 18 months, managed $36M+ ad budgets, and built high-performing teams from scratch. Isaac is known for his systems thinking, rapid operational scale, and real-world people development.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesFrank Kern (Mass Control)ClickUpAsanaJim Collins (“flywheel” concept)EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating SystemAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at...
