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The Realism of Symbology | A Conversation with Jonathan Pageau
Tuesday, 25 November, 2025
Back the East West Lecture Series: theeastwestseries.com Join Jacobs Premium: https://www.thenathanjacobspodcast.com/membershipThe book club (use code LEWIS): https://www.thenathanjacobspodcast.com/offers/aLohje7p/checkoutDr. Jacobs is joined by guest Jonathan Pageau for an in-depth discussion on the nature of symbolic thinking and philosophical realism. They explore how symbols function in reality, the relationship between ancient worldviews and modern nominalism, and the distinction between genuine symbology and eisegesis. The conversation addresses the metaphysical foundations of symbolic interpretation, the role of idealism in understanding reality, and whether symbols are merely useful fictions or constitute the actual structure of the world.All the links: Substack: https://nathanajacobs.substack.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenathanjacobspodcastWebsite: https://www.nathanajacobs.com/X: https://x.com/NathanJacobsPodSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0hSskUtCwDT40uFbqTk3QSApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nathan-jacobs-podcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/nathanandrewjacobsAcademia: https://vanderbilt.academia.edu/NathanAJacobs00:00:00 Intro00:00:52 Jonathan’s Background00:17:31 Symbology 101: What is Symbolic Thinking? 00:22:01 Philosophical Realism and Ancient Intuition 00:25:01 Are Symbols Real or Useful Fictions? 00:37:27 Idealism and the Structure of Reality 00:44:02 Christ-Shaped Reality and the Logos 01:12:20 How to Avoid Eisegesis in Symbolic Interpretation01:23:45 The Danger of Gnostic and Esoteric Fascination 01:28:58 The Problem of Non-Realist Symbolism
