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In Demand: How to Grow Your SaaS and Stay In DemandAuthor: Asia Orangio & Kim Talarczyk
Growing a SaaS? Yeah, that's hard. Growing a SaaS without a clue what you're doing from a marketing and growth perspective? Pretty much impossible especially if you want to break the 1M and 10M ARR marks. Kim Talarczyk sits down with Asia Orangio to extract and unpack all the strategic insights she holds in her brain from working with hundreds of SaaS companies and interviewing thousands of their customers. Together, they break down how to diagnose and troubleshoot growth challenges across every part of a B2B SaaS business. About your hosts: Asia Orangio is the CEO & Founder of DemandMaven. Asia helps founders of PLG SaaS companies troubleshoot their growth across GTM, acquisition, activation, retention, and expansion and get unstuck. In early 2018, Asia founded DemandMaven a consulting firm dedicated to helping bootstrapped and funded SaaS companies build revenue-generating growth engines. Previously, Asia served in a number of marketing roles, but most notably as head of marketing at Hull where she helped the team 10.5x in growth, and #FlipMyFunnel / Terminus as demand generation manager. Asia also served on the board of Moz before its successful acquisition in 2021. Kim Talarczyk is the Client Services and Operations Manager at DemandMaven, where she ensures all client engagements are executed to the highest standard. With a strong background in client-facing roles and professional service firms, Kim has played a key role in scaling operations and delivering exceptional experiences for both B2C and B2B brands. Language: en Genres: Business, Entrepreneurship, Marketing Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it |
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EP62: The four levels of product consciousness
Episode 62
Tuesday, 28 April, 2026
Product consciousness shapes how your customers experience, interpret, and talk about your product. And if you are not accounting for it, you may be making product decisions based on incomplete or misleading feedback. In this episode of In Demand, Asia and Kim break down the four levels of product consciousness and why not all customer feedback should be treated equally. Asia explains how different types of users perceive friction, why some blame themselves instead of the product, and how relying on the wrong feedback can create a false sense of confidence. They walk through how to identify each type of customer, how to balance feedback across groups, and why observation often matters more than what customers say. The conversation also covers how to structure better UX research, when to incentivize interviews, and how to build a reliable feedback loop that actually improves product decisions. If you feel like something is off with your product but you’re only hearing “it’s great” from customers, this episode will help you understand why and what to do about it. Got a question you’d like Asia to unpack on the podcast? Record a voicemail here. Links: DemandMaven Subscribe to The Work by DemandMaven on Substack The Four Levels of Product Consciousness Chapters (00:00:30) - Why “everything is easy” can be a dangerous and misleading signal.(00:01:35) - The first level: unaware users who blame themselves instead of the product, and why UX interviews are critical because of this.(00:06:00) - The second level: friction aware. Aware users who feel issues but cannot put it into words and tell you exactly what the problem is.(00:08:10) - The third level: friction vocal users who can clearly diagnose problems.(00:11:15) - The fourth level: most aware users who have strong feelings about what needs to change for the product to work best for them.(00:14:00) - Why over-listening to one group creates biased product decisions and why it's helpful to talk to people in each category.(00:17:30) - How to structure research to get a balanced mix of user perspectives.(00:21:30) - When to validate feedback at scale instead of taking opinions literally.(00:24:50) - Incentives, feedback loops, and building a panel of high-value users.(00:29:00) - Why observation beats opinion when evaluating product experience.
