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Dharmesh Shah on AEO, AI Agents, and the ‘AI App Store’
Tuesday, 16 December, 2025

Being early to SEO helped Dharmesh Shah build HubSpot into a $30B company. Now he's obsessed with something new: AI ranking.It's how to show up when people ask ChatGPT for recommendations instead of Googling.In this conversation, Rowan Cheung (@rowancheung) sat down with HubSpot Founder & CTO Dharmesh Shah (@dharmesh) to unpack:AEO (Answer Engine Optimization): SEO for the AI eraHow to structure content to get cited in AI answersThe hidden risk of low-quality AI contentEffectively using AI agents as teammatesThe coming “AI App Store” for agents__Join our daily AI newsletter: https://www.therundown.ai/subscribeLearn AI hands-on with our AI University: https://rundown.ai/ai-university/