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S10 Ep 11 - Justice and Inclusion Under Fire: What’s Next for DEI?
Episode 11
Monday, 2 June, 2025
In this timely and powerful episode, host Beverly Taylor sits down with Dr. Latish Reed to explore the shifting landscape of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) from 2020 to 2025. Once embraced as a movement for justice and inclusion, DEI now faces growing backlash and misinformation.Dr. Reed breaks down what’s changed, why organizations are retreating from their commitments, and how her “Shades of Gray” framework helps individuals and institutions reflect on their true impact. Together, they discuss how to move beyond performative gestures and recommit to meaningful action—because justice and inclusion should never go out of style.Key Topics & Takeaways:The Rise and Decline of DEI (2020–2025):Following George Floyd’s murder, organizations rapidly embraced DEI—hiring Chief Diversity Officers, issuing statements, and investing in equity work. In 2025, many of those same institutions are retracting those efforts, removing DEI language and cutting roles, amid political and public backlash.Understanding the Backlash:Dr. Reed explains that performative actions (empty statements without structural change) bred public skepticism. Misinformation and oversimplification have led some to misunderstand DEI’s true purpose—fueling calls for its elimination.The Complexities of Equity & The “Shades of Gray” Framework:Dr. Reed introduces her powerful framework to help organizations assess their true commitment to equity:White Phase: Total avoidance or deferral of action.Light Gray Phase: Performative but superficial engagement (e.g., public statements without policy).Dark Gray Phase: Tangible progress through policy, accountability, and leadership.Black Phase: Deep, systemic change rooted in justice and long-term vision.The ICE-T Framework for Advocacy:To truly drive equity, individuals and organizations must consider their:Identity | Context | Experience | Timing | Equity Beyond Race | Accountability is Non-Negotiable:Dr. Reed emphasizes that “your actions must match your words.” Real progress requires:Written policiesClear metricsLong-term trackingTransparent leadershipFinal Thoughts:While the language of DEI may be shifting, the mission of justice remains critical. Dr. Latish Reed calls on leaders and advocates not to retreat but to recommit. Whether or not DEI is trending, the work of creating inclusive, equitable systems must continue with honesty, courage, and care.Resource Mentioned: The Complexities of Equity: Navigating Shades of Gray in Schools and Organizations by Dr. Latish Reed🎧 Available Now on All Major Podcast Platforms – Tune in to The 411 Live with Beverly TaylorIf you have suggestions for future episodes, go to our website, https://the411live.org
