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We've Got To TalkAuthor: Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringingsJolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Areawe became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of thembut we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day. Language: en Genres: News, Personal Journals, Politics, Society & Culture Contact email: Get it Feed URL: Get it iTunes ID: Get it Trailer: |
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Monica Guzman: Why Talking Politics With Family Isn't Just Okay - It's Essential
Episode 44
Wednesday, 10 December, 2025
What if the advice to avoid talking about politics is actually making everything worse? In our first-ever guest interview, we sit down with Monica Guzman - author of "I Never Thought of It That Way," and advisor at Braver Angels to talk about how to have fearlessly curious conversations in dangerously divided times.Monica doesn't sugarcoat it: America is fraying. Social media has made it easy to be incurious while feeling righteous, and "conflict entrepreneurs" are profiting off our division. But she believes the only way forward is to keep talking to each other, especially across disagreement.Her advice for navigating political conversations - especially during the holidays: • Know what you're after: connection or persuasion? • Step away from social media and have tough conversations face-to-face • Ask "how" instead of "why" - invite people to share their story, not defend their position • Remember that curiosity and grace are contagiousMonica shares a powerful story about bringing liberal Seattleites to meet conservative Oregon farmers. What they discovered: we're all terrible at estimating what the "other side" really thinks. Studies show both liberals and conservatives wildly overestimate support for extreme positions like political violence. The best intervention? Talking to real people, not caricatures.Some argue America should split into "Divided States." Monica pushes back hard: that's a lie pushed by extremes for political gain. The truth? The more time we spend only with people who agree with us, the dumber we get. We need each other to make wise decisions for a healthy society.Is there hope? Absolutely. The revolution isn't happening in halls of power - it's happening in living rooms, coffee shops, and podcasts. People choosing dialogue over dismissal are the real counterculture.Monica leaves us with "sonder" - the realization that every person has a life as vivid and complex as your own. When we remember that, everything changes.Read Monica's book "I Never Thought of It That Way" and join the movement toward fearless curiosity.CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 - Introduction: Why We Talk Across Political Divides00:21 - Meet Monica Guzman: Author of "I Never Thought of It That Way"01:36 - Is America More Divided Than Ever?03:14 - Social Media, Outrage, and the Curiosity Crisis05:27 - How to Have Difficult Conversations With Family08:09 - The Power of Curiosity and Grace in Bridge Building09:49 - Why "How" Questions Work Better Than "Why"11:57 - Breaking Down Misconceptions About the Other Side14:16 - Monica’s Sherman County Project: Liberals Meet Conservatives18:30 - What Urban and Rural America Can Learn From Each Other21:58 - Are We Really Hopelessly Divided?24:16 - Why We Need Each Other: The Beating Heart of Democracy27:00 - Signs of Hope: The Revolution of Conversation29:10 - Sonder: Seeing the Humanity in Everyone30:53 - Would You Rather: Monica’s Game on Difference33:44 - Final Thoughts and Thank You to Monica GuzmanRESOURCES MENTIONED:Connect with Monica:https://www.moniguzman.com/bookhttps://braverangels.org/author/moniguzmangmail-com/LINKSOn Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On Apple Podcasts:
