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Tina Resch Poltergiest Incident with Donnell and Robert
Episode 14
Thursday, 4 December, 2025
Tina Resch Poltergiest Incident Tina Rush poltergeist case (also known as the Columbus Poltergeist), revealing that the alleged activity occurred in Ohio in 1984 and that skeptics later pointed to video footage showing the teenage Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp as proof of a hoax, a finding often juxtaposed with the observations of parapsychologists like William Roll. DayJobbers https://youtube.com/live/l8-mllGB0Fg Transcript (AI transcription) so i heard you guys are just like two regular guys now, retired to podcasting yeah yeah just working joes yeah you know day jobs all the way down. We left the game. We left the game. The day the day jobbers as we’ll say. The day jobbers. You were there. You were there. Hey everybody, welcome to Mondo Frico. I got the day job. How are you guys doing, day jobbers? That’s going to be your new thing. I’m going to change the graphic from just two regular guys to day jobbers. Fantastic. I’m still recovering from Thanksgiving. Yeah. Oh, what happened to you? Did you hit my car? I just ate too much. Oh, okay. Your stomach. Yeah. Yeah. No. I’m good. I’m good. I mean, yeah, you can change this to the day jobbers now because I have a job now. Oh, you have a job? That’s even better. That’s…That’s always good. You know? Fantastic. Now you can pay me, pay you what you owe me now. So that’s fantastic. I’ll be putting my Venmo up on the screen here in just a few minutes. I’ll get right on that. If you can, uh, if you want to hit that, maybe a QR code, just zap it with your phone. You’ll be okay. Yep. Yep. So, uh, thanks for being here today, guys. Uh, this little show, we talk about weird stuff and, uh, I know, uh, Robert said he brushed up on it, but I don’t know if you brushed up on everything. And all the weird stuff. There’s a lot. There’s a lot of weird stuff out there. There is a lot of weird stuff. Hence my background here where I’m standing in a swamp of some sort. At least you are not at your desk. Yeah, I’m not at my desk. I’m out in my backyard and out in the backyard at the swamp. So you guys, are you up for possibly a little quiz on the topic at hand?Absolutely. Is it open book? Set up for failure. Is it open book? I got the internet in front of me right now. If you’re fast with your fingers on the goog, I think we could call it open book here. All right. Well, we’ve got our researcher on the other side of the camera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really? What is this? Another day jobber? No, they don’t get paid. They don’t have a job. Gotcha. Just somebody, the random person that came into the apartment. So here we go. We’ll play a little quiz music and get you in the mood. All right, we have a quiz on, uh, the Tina rush poltergeist case. Now you heard anything about Tina rush before? I told you so.The way this quiz goes. Is this what the movie Poltergeist is based off of? I don’t believe so, but we never know. We never know. Yeah, you know, these days. Because the movie Poltergeist was based on some real. Yeah, but it was based on some, well, quote, real. Yeah, yeah. So the way the quiz goes, we’ll start out with questions that are easier, and then they’ll get harder as we go along. At least that’s the plan here. all right. Is this multiple choice or? Yeah, multiple choice. I’ll read the question. I’ll read the answers. And you give me what you think is the best answer. How’s that? All right. Yeah. All right. See how this is what was it the christy rosh or the tina tina tina rosh tina rosh poltergeist case okay all right in what u.s state in year did the alleged tina ross pokerpoltergeist case activity also known as the Columbus poltergeist hint wink wink primarily take place Ohio choices New York 1988 California 1980 Ohio 1984 Massachusetts 1979 Ohio 1984 is the correct answer It’s going to be one of those bait-and-switches where it’s called the Columbus Poltergeist, but it happened in California for some weird reason. Is that like a hotel called Columbus? No, it was actually Columbus, Ohio. It actually started in Kansas. Yeah. No, it was Ohio in 1984. You guys got it right. That was an easy one. We’ll move on. Next question. What common household item was featured… In the most famous and controversial newspaper photograph taken during the poltergeist events, appearing to fly near Tina of its own accord here, I suppose. A, a table lamp. B, a drinking glass. C, a telephone receiver. Or D, a wooden chair. I’m going to go with wooden chair. Yeah, I’m feeling wooden chair. Why would it be? I don’t think any of those items are controversial, though. Really? Really?Well, it wasn’t a vibrator, guys. Come on. Like a bong just floating around. Tina’s bong flew by her face. The ghost was getting high. So you guys went with D, wooden chair? It was C, telephone receiver. It was the 80s. There was a lot of telephones on long cords. I don’t know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But why was it controversial? Yeah, I mean, that’s the question. What’s controversial? Well, the controversy was the newspaper photograph. Okay. Controversial newspaper photograph. So apparently people didn’t believe it. Oh, yeah, of course, because it’s not real. Well, potentially, yeah. I am a ghost skeptic. I do not believe that the ghost exists. Yeah, yeah. All right, let’s move on to question number three. What specific incident provided the strongest piece of non-antidotal evidence for skeptics who claimed Tina was faking the phenomena? She was holding the phone as it flew. She’s just talking on it. She’s like, look, see, it’s happening. Yeah, it’s happening. Yeah, woo.My hand’s just on it, but the ghosts are where they want it. She’s pinching it, right? So A, Tina’s adoptive parents publicly confessed that they had orchestrated the entire event. Oh my God. B, a video camera inadvertently recorded Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp before reacting in mock surprise. C, investigators found a small motor hidden underneath the couch that was used to shake objects. Or D, skeptics scientifically proved that the thrown phone was a lightweight hollow replica. I’m going to go with B, the lamp thing. That she knocked over a lamp. You guys in agreement here? I’m going to… I want the motor to be true, so I’m going to go with C, the motorized couch. Oh, the motor under the couch. Yeah. They had sense around in their living room back in the day. Well, Robert got ait was B. A video camera inadvertently uh recorded tina deliberately knocking over a lamp just before uh reacting in mock surprise. You got that one. How many is that that’s two yes two so we we got we got two more to go. We are number four. Okay. All right. Years later, Tina Rush, under her adult name, which was totally different for some reason, Christina Boyer, I guess she got married and changed, I guess maybe her full name is Christina. I mean, Christina, I think you can start under Tina. Yeah, Tina, yeah. And then, you know, you get married, you change your last name. It’s not that weird. This is where it takes a weird term. Was convicted in connection with the death of her daughter. What specific legal plea did she enter to accept the conviction while simultaneously maintaining her factual innocence in order to avoid a potential death sentence? That’s hardcore here. Now we’re zooming into…We’re zooming into the, you know, the murder podcast thing. I know. I was about to say that. Yeah. True crime. Now we’re going to true crime. And, you know, we got it’s all legal, legal up in here. A plea of Nolo Contendra. B, a standard guilty plea with admission of the facts. C, an Alford plea or D, a Magnotten rule plea. I’m going to go with McNaughton rule. I’m going with C, the Alfred plea. Oh, really? But I think it’s A, but I’m going to go with. You think it’s A? A, C, and D. Robert’s just hedging his bets here. You know what? Robert’s going A and D. Let me do B and C so we just cover all the bases. Yeah, let’s put a tenor on A, B, and C. Okay, well, actually. D is my final.D is your final answer? Okay. And C is the correct answer. I’ll give it to you guys. Half of you got it. I knew that one. The day jobbers here got it. So, wow, that’s good. You got three. This is the last question. Let’s see if we can – well, I guess you’ve made it over the halfway point, so you’re better than 50%. So let’s see if you can push that up a little bit on the last question. A long-standing controversy surrounding the Tina Rush case primarily stems from the direct conflict between which two forms of evidence? Here are your choices. A testimony of the foster parents versus the official police report on the initial disturbances. Parapsychologist William Roll’s documented observations versus the accidental video footage of the lamp being knocked over. See the estimated value of the damaged objects versus the amount of insurance money claimed by the family.or D, the initial newspaper report versus the later segment on the TV show Unsolved Mysteries. I’m going with D again. I’m going to go with C just because you always got to follow the money, man. Like these things get away with it until money gets involved. And then someone’s like, OK, we like everyone’s willing to believe in a ghost until someone says, yeah, that ghost cost me $50,000. Then someone shows up and is like, OK, we’re going to take a look at this. You can believe in ghosts all you want as long as it doesn’t cost us money. Exactly. But it’s clearly an act of god the pre the the the insurance company doesn’t have to pay out under those circumstances. Yeah. Wouldn’t you say god is paranormal in some way, shape, or form well that’s yeah that’s why it was an act of God. They didn’t have any control over it. oh yeah, we can’t well god wanted this. I’m sorry, uh It was b paris psychologist william rolls documented observations versus the accidental video footage of the lamp game we should have went with that just because we had ordered cover that the lamp wasThey brought in a parapsychologist as an expert witness. Yeah, apparently they did. That’s a kangaroo court right there. They might as well have just had the poltergeist come in and testify. I’m assuming we’re going to get into this, but I’m still trying to figure out why were the cops involved? Since when do you call the cops because of a ghost? Because there was a murder, right? Well, no, I think that was later. That was well after the poltergeist. That was the she went into adulthood to be a murderer, apparently. Well, then let me let me tell you about the Tina, a quick few paragraphs about the Tina Rush case. How’s that? Sounds good to me. Got a little mood music. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes, I am. All right. The Tina Rush story, also known as the Columbus poltergeist case,centered around the 14-year-old Tina Rush, now Christina Boyer, in 1984. Reports emerged from her foster family’s home in Ohio that objects, including plates, lamps, and a telephone, were flying or moving on their own, often with Tina as the apparent focal point. Her foster mother contacted a local journalist, which launched the story into the national media sensation, featuring a controversial photograph that appeared to capture a telephone receiver suspended in midair near the frightened teenagers. Parapsychologist William Rall investigated the case and concluded that the events were genuine, spontaneous psychokinesis. Arrest that man. Arrest that man. Where’s he at these days? We sent him to jail. The case quickly became a battleground between believers and skeptics. Critics, notably magician and investigator James Randi, argued that the phenomena were a hoax perpetrated by Tina, who was described as a troubled and attention-seeking adolescent who had experienced trauma.I love James Ramsey. He’s the best. Skeptical investigations pointed to anecdotal evidence and questioned the famous photograph’s authenticity, suggesting Tina had simply thrown the phone crucially. It did look like she was throwing that phone. A hidden camera from a visiting television crew once captured footage of Tina deliberately knocking over a lamp and then screaming as if the poltergeist was responsible. This footage led many to dismiss the entire case as a deliberate fabrication. The story took a tragic turn years after the alleged poltergeist activity faded. As an adult going by Christina Boyer, she was arrested and charged in 1982 with the murder of her three-year-old daughter, Amber, who died from a fatal injury while in the care of Boyer’s boyfriend, David Herron. To avoid the death penalty, Boyer accepted an Alford plea in 1994, pleading guilty while maintaining her innocence in the crime.She was sentenced to life in prison plus 20 years. The complex and often controversial life of Tina Rush, from the poltergeist kid to a convicted murderer, continues to be a subject of true crime investigation and debate, exploring themes of childhood trauma, media manipulation, and the justice system. Wow. That’s a lot to take in there. I blame Nancy Reagan. It’s always safe blame the Reagan. No, because Nancy, so I don’t remember the name of the the reporter she like spearheaded journalism and she, she had herself committed. So that way she could write about what was going on inside of a insane asylum. Oh, insane asylum. Yeah. And then she came out and she wrote that article and Nancy Reagan saw it and said, okay, just shut them all down. So they just shut down most of the state hospitals in the, across the country in asylums and if they hadn’t done that, this woman would have gotten the help she need.needed when she was a kid. Yeah, she wouldn’t have gone to either murder a child or be start dating a guy who murdered her child. So you’re you’re firmly in the camp of not a poltergeist. Absolutely. I mean, that’s what I’m gonna say is in your telling there. You said, like I said, a hidden camera recorded her knocking over a lamp and then panicking. And I think it just speaks to the state of mankind that your next sentence was leading most you dispell it i’m like most i feel like everybody should have been like oh she’s faking it but the fact is just most and they’re still with a small port but but it could have been a ghost you know we had like a gas leak you know back in the 1980s yeah and there was lead everywhere there’s a lot of weak gas pipes yeah there was a lot of lead lots of things and who knows whatcompanies were pumping into the ohio river valley yeah that’s true a lot of uh you know a lot of p fats yeah a lot of water environmental pollution going on back then chemical pollution into the waterways. Yeah. Well, but the interesting thing is is that so I’m a little I mean, not that I believe that she had a poltergeist necessarily from the story, at least from the information that we have. But the interesting thing is it really does highlight the exploitation of the media because there’s nothing better. Oh, yeah. Back then, because we don’t you know, we don’t have back then, you know, you didn’t have social media, you didn’t have anything like we have going on right now. And a newspaper person, you know, they want to getrecognized for their work. And so they go in and they hype something up as much as they can. And so maybe, uh, Tina was just, you know, when she got caught with the fakery, maybe something had happened and then she just wanted to perpetuate it because she wanted to stir it on. She was egged on by the reporter in order to get, you know, to keep things going. The, the poltergeist kid became her moniker. I mean, come on. I mean, he doesn’t want to be the poltergeist kid. Was she making money off of it? That’s the question. Was there money in getting being exchanged on some level? They didn’t say that she was making money. I mean, other than potentially the National Enquirer may have paid her to have a story in it. I mean, I definitely do agree with that idea. Whether there was an original incident that caused the whole poltergeist hysteria or whether even that, the original incident could have been disproved. But whatOnce the media horse is going, it is very hard to stop. Like, yeah, they might want to keep pushing you because it’s like, yeah, this is news. This is something that’s going to get eyes on your paper or on your news broadcasts and stuff. And then for her and her family, it’s like, yeah, especially, you know, in the day before social media, which, I mean, in my opinion, were better days. But still, before social media and all the ways that it’s easy to get your face out in front of people, like if you can certainly be known because you were, you know, the girl who was being haunted, like that’s a straight access to fame that most people don’t have back in those days. Like back in 84, you can’t just pull out your phone and film yourself for 30 seconds doing something ridiculous and throw it up on TikTok back then, you know. Throwing a phone up in the air and taking a picture. Yeah. I mean, this was also the height of the Poltergeist films because the first one came out in 82. And I think the second one came out in 85. So like, I mean, that was that was that was light.Those movies were all the rage back then. There’s a whole thing about it. I know you guys. Well, you guys were the former watching it, guys. Now just a few regular guys. But yeah, so the Poltergeist movie was produced by Steven Spielberg, directed by Toby Hooper. But. You know, the scuttlebutt is Steven Spielberg directed Poltergeist. Do you guys know this? Oh, it’s because he was hiding. He didn’t want them to know that he was directing it. Right. Well, no, Toby Hooper apparently kind of wasn’t work wasn’t working out, but he didn’t fire him. He just basically directed the film around him and then still gave him credit. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, hey, I’ll take credit for a very well-known movie that i didn’t have to do anything for. I meanThey still kept me them royalty checks because I’m like, I’m all in on that. I think that they had a strained relationship, but I think they’ve worked it out since then. I was about to say, if Steven Spielberg is listening, if he wants someone to come and sit in a director’s chair while he actually directs a movie, I mean, I’m available. Like I said, he’s a retired podcaster, so I got some free time. It’s kind of like a Stephen King, Richard Bachman scenario going on a little bit, a little bit. Yeah. The interesting thing to me is maybe maybe there was. You know, I like to give us given the benefit of the doubt, let’s say there was an actual initial incident that kind of triggered this. Right. And something happened or maybe more than one thing happened. And then once the press gets involved, it’s kind of a Schrodinger’s cat kind of a situation. Right. And and so then it all kind of gets out of control and everybody just loves the attention.including the foster parents. And it kind of rolls on from there. So wait, these were her foster parents? Yeah. She was a foster kid in their house. Okay, gotcha. Do we know what happened with her parents? No. Or like, why was she in foster care? situation because obviously she was an unwanted child apparently well yeah well yeah she was unwell. She needed. I mean, I feel like the psychiatric assistance. I would like to know more about what happened with the foster parents and if they were involved, because my thought is, I mean, I don’t know. I feel like, you know, foster kids, you’re getting some money from the government for them. And I feel like you should be able to be like, can we get some more money for taking a haunted child? Maybe that was part of the conversation. The goths walk into the, oh man, what’s it called? Where the children live when they don’t have parents. Orphanage? Orphanage, yeah. Goth kids walk into the orphanage. Y’all got any haunted ones around here? That’s a real rage right now. We’re looking for them.of them maybe the child of a killer, you know? I don’t want a regular child. Only a haunted one, or possibly anyone one who’s been so traumatized seeing visions and stuff, you know? One of them unique one all the kids are, like, drawing with crayon on the wall, but there’s one that’s, like, just got the pentagram going and chanting like that’s that’s our kid. That’s our one right there. Got any Manson family children available? That’s a request right there. Looking for lineage to the Manson family. Anyone? No, that’s interesting. But I do think that there is a possibility. Obviously, we brought up James Randi. James Randi is a famous debunker, and there’s a great document. He’s passed away. Great document. Oh, I was about to ask, is he still with us? Yeah, he passed away. Last time I saw him, yeah.But there’s a great documentary if you look up James Randi on wherever. Look him up. You’ll see the documentary, which is a fantastic documentary. One of the best tricks that James Randi ever did was he lived the life as a gay man and never told anybody. Yeah. What? Oh, yeah. Now I get what you’re saying. He had a really upsettingly young boyfriend. that was yes an illegal alien or something. Yeah, exactly. That’s part of the documentary. But, but he was, you know, he was gay at a time when you couldn’t be gay and out and so forth and lived his life that way and never really even, I don’t think, came forward. um I lived to be 92. i i heard you’re, you’re being weird there, Bob, at first. I understand that because when you said he lived his greatest criminals he lived as a gay man. What I thought you were saying isHe pretended to be gay as a trick for decades. And then in his 50s, he’s like, oh yeah, by the way, I’m not gay. This was all just an illusion. That would be an interesting twist on it these days. I don’t know if it’s a worth it trick, but I guess it’s interesting. He was an extremely popular debunker back in the 70s and 80s. Extremely popular. And he would go on all kinds of shows back then. debunk all these people, right? And I guess evidently tina was one of them. That he took upon the uh mantle of debunking. Because he used to have it and this was back even in the 70s, a million dollars if you could prove uh yeah any of this any of this real yeah yeah telekinesis yeah bring it bring it into a controlled scientific environment yeah you know this is.but all you had to do was fool him. You didn’t even have to fool everybody. You just had to fool him and get the million dollars and nobody ever did. So he had put it into, it was like a lottery thing where he put it into a trust and it, you know yeah it would pay out over time. Right. So, but anyway, uh, very interesting that he’s linked into this story, which the funny thing is, especially as soon as i read it, uh, you guys jumped in and said, you know, Oh, this is all fake because James Randi’s involved. So he was such a good debunker that even his mere mention of his name being involved in anything threw it right into the not ever possible scenario. Just talking about debunkers because whenever I think about debunking and stuff, I always just remember this investigative journal piece where it was with a psychic and the journalist brings a photo of a boy and they’re like, can you tell us what happened to this boy?And it’s like, oh, yeah, I could. Oh, he died a tragic death. It’s very sad. And like, oh, he did. Like, yeah. And then like they’re meeting like a cafe and then they walk up the cafe and I have the boy walk. I’m like, hey, I’m that boy. She’s like, oh, are you? It’s just like she’s just like so adamant, like, oh, well, very young age. And then he’s like, oh, by the way, I’m the boy. It’s just like, oh, well, a miracle. You’re alive. I was thinking of you in a past life. you look the same. I was thinking of your past self. Yes, exactly. Psychics are always so crazy to me because it’s just like, what are you doing? Like, if you really had this power, you would just be rich. You would go find the nazi gold that’s hidden somewhere by talking to the spirit of the nazi that hit it. Or you would guess the lottery numbers every week or whatever. Like, you would just i mean have all the money like you don’t need to get the crystal ball and the light show going on.I’ve always said psychics, they’re either terrible people if they really have the power, or like you said, they’re bad at their job. Because I’m just like, if you’re a psychic, I’ll believe you in a heartbeat if you call me and you’re like, hey, by the way, don’t go outside today. I’ll believe in you then. But if I got to call you to get the advice, I’m like, you should already know. And if you do already know that something bad is going to happen to me and you’re just like, well, he didn’t call. So I’m not going to tell him. Well, then you’re a jerk. Because I’m like, you know, you’re like, I don’t know. I was going to get hit by a car today, but he hasn’t called me yet. So I guess that’s just on him. I’m like, well, screw you then. The interesting thing is, you’re right. And I always when I talk about these, the weird thing is I’m on the fence. So I believe in some of this stuff and don’t believe in.a lot of it, but there is some of it that I think is really true now. Um, but the, all the, the, one of the lines of demarcation is money. If anyone is asking you for money or money is involved in any way, chances are it’s not true. Yeah. Because as soon as you, you bring money into any of these scenarios, then it’s all about the money and not about what’s happening. I mean, Phil’s got to eat too, man. But apparently they can eat without money. Is there a ghost currency? Is that where the Bitcoin goes whenever you don’t see it? Yeah, that’s where Bitcoin really goes to is the ghosts. These nuclear reactors don’t fuel themselves. But I think that that’s always the line of demarcation is anytime there’s money involved, then it all goes out the window.Because interestingly enough, now, have you guys, either one of you guys ever had an experience that you would call paranormal in any way, shape or form? Yes. But I’m pretty sure it’s just hallucinations and things like that. No, just so we want to talk about it. So I grew up in a house that when I was living in it 40 years ago was 100 years old already. And it used to be 140 years old. Me and my brother shared what? think you would call like a day room that was in the back that used to be a doctor’s office creepy so people definitely died yeah but they were getting somewhere with this, like this is back i mean, this is, you know, 140 years ago, this is before they really had like hospitals that you went to really like the town doctor, about 50 of them just died. Yeah. The town doctor just, he had just an office in his house and you just went over there i don’t know what i’m doing wrong.I guess maybe I’ll start washing my hands. Yeah. Maybe, maybe after I take a crap, I should wash my hands before I stick my finger in their wounds. Okay. Well, no, but I used to see like weird, like light shadows and things that look like some kind of spirit or something like down the hall and the, you know, in the, in the bedroom at night, but it’s, you know, I’m sure it was lead paint and a gas leak or something when I was, when I was nine years old. Yeah, the closest, and this isn’t, I would never claim this is paranormal, this is just jet lag, but if I said the closest I’ve ever gotten to, I’d say anything, was after, when I was a kid, after flying to St. Louis to visit some family, I was in my aunt’s living room, and she had, like, just a whole bunch of dolls, because she’s just that person. And I was sitting on the couch, and I was definitely dozing in and out of sleep, but at one point, I just saw, like, all the dolls just turned and looked at me,and they they got like a little bit closer. But once again, I’m like, that was just jet lag and an overactive child imagination. I mean, they, they never did it again. So if they wore, they, they decided they were gonna you know, the spiritual, like, ah, let’s not mess with this one. because you know, I’ve been back to my aunt’s house and they never thought to she still has all those dolls well not anymore, but she did for, you know, like a couple different trips. You didn’t see et in there, did you? no no no no that’s weird well so i actually have had several experiences that would i cannot explain. That would not be jet lag, would not be. And these are as an adult, not as a child so yeah um yeah so that’s why i kind of um i i don’t know about Tina. You’re right. I think that tina was probably disturbed um in your assessment there from our short information that we had.But there are things that have happened that are very weird, and so that fuels my, you know, kind of interest in some of these things. I’ll give you, like, there’s definitely weird and curious things. Like, I’ve always said I don’t believe in, like, things like psychics or mental connections like that, but I will say there’s something weird about identical twins. Like, they just have weird bonds that don’t make sense. Or, like, there’s even, like, the stories of, like, two twins that were separated at birth, and, like, when they… Like, are found later living, like, almost identical lives. And I’m like, yeah, there’s, like, once again i i don’t i don’t believe in, like, pure, like, mental links or psychic stuff, but, like, there is something going on there it’s just like but do we know how true are those stories? Because we read about them, yeah we don’t have any fact check going on it’s like it’s like oh there’s two identical twins separated at birth. They both ended up named Bob, and they both married women named tina and they all had two kids named kevin and whatever.It’s just like, yeah, but that could all just be made up. Whatever’s an uncommon name, I think of that. But no, it could all just be made up. It could, it could. Actually, now I want to look into one of those and see if there’s any. Do you guys know any identical twins? Yes, I dated one, a twin, just the one. Are you sure you didn’t date both of them? No, no, no. I met both of them, but I only dated one of them. Those twins will do that sometime. I dated the cool one. switch out but no they they they talked about having, like, weird being able to communicate, you know, without talking and stuff like it but they wasn’t like they were hearing each other’s thoughts. They just were so tuned in and so close that they, you know, just had that unspoken language to be able to convey thoughts and ideas. And that’s the reason you’re not dating them anymore i’ve always i’ve always thought i didn’t go twins like you know it’s just like i if i was writing, like, a true or like a acrime novel or something. I could have identical twins as the killer, but basically just based off with their identical DNA and the fact that they look the same, you can’t 100% prove which one did the killing. As long as you have a reasonable doubt, and you would always have a reasonable doubt because you can’t, like, yeah, they left DNA at the scene. Can you prove whose DNA? We saw them both into a movie theater together. one of them got up and left, went, killed somebody, came back and you proved which one it was. They were wearing the exact same outfit they were doing all the so it’s just like, I’ve always just like like that i i mean it sounds messed up to say like you think that’s why there’s no identical twin serial killers or is there? I don’t know. Yeah, maybe there are. They just don’t get caught. There was there was a case of uh twins that like there was a murder and they had the DNA, but they couldn’t prove which of the guys it was. Yeah.So they shouldn’t convict the prestige. Yep. Yep. Now being a twins, can we sidebar on another kind of weird story? I just, I just learned this a couple of days ago, but I was, we, I was having a conversation with someone and we were talking and they were, they were talking about how many kids were in their family. There was someone there that would have like 16 kids in their family. Another person at eight. So I wanted to look up, okay, what’s the most kids like a woman ever had in her lifetime. And in 1725, There was a woman that was born in Russia named Valentina Vasileva. I’m probably butchering that. Who had, during her life, had 69 children. Yeah. This is crazy. That number doesn’t mean anything. Yeah, that’s funny. That’s funny. You ask yourself, well, that seems rough and hard. And let me tell you how much more rough it is. So she only gave birth 27 times. Oh, they’re all twins. 16 pairs of twins.Seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets. She was part of some kind of Russian Olympics thing. That’s the most fertile woman that ever existed. I mean, I’m looking at some of the photos. She had this long, forelong face of like, this woman’s seen something. She’s been through it. I would say if it was me, after the first the fifth set of twins, I’d be like, I’m out. I’m done. You know what happened? The press got involved. They’re like, the lady with the most twins. I’ve always, and I mean, just my luck, because in my family, I mean, not that these things really run through families, but it’s just a weird coincidence that, so my dad is a twin, and then my, not my, so not my grandfather, but my grandfather’s dadis also a twin and so they’ve always said twins run in our family and they skip a generation uh so i’m set up to i’m part of the generation that should be twins but that’s the thing is so me and my two cousins none of us have kids yet i think it’s all because we’re waiting for one of the other ones to have kids and get the twins out of the way so we don’t end up being the one because it’s only one it’s only one person in the generation who has the two twins so three of us And we’re just all like, somebody needs to get this over with. Well, you didn’t know. They’re like, there’s a trust fund that we’ve been putting money into for the first kids that have the twins. Maybe. But they’re not telling you. I’ve always had a very hard stance. Not a hard stance. I’m just like, well, kind of hard stance because I would get something done. Like I was always like, when it comes to kids and it’s fluctuated, but it was like two or three. That’s if I’m going to have kids, two or three. And the only way I’ve always had, the only way I end up at fouris if we get to two and I don’t have a son, I might try for one more. And if we have twins, then, then that’s how we get to four, but then we’re done. Like it’s over. I’m not rolling the dice. I don’t care if there are four girls, I’m not rolling the dice anymore. I don’t need any more of my lineage coming out. So I, I’m getting something done. There’s no more kids are coming out of this equation. So, and I’m just like, no, I do foster care, foster care. We just, once they get to where they can crawl you just go and take them out to the woods and just there you go you know go be wild go figure it out i was bringing it back to ghosts and stuff you’re talking about how the haunted look on that lady’s face you know why that probably is because she was probably dead when that picture was taken because back in the 1700s and 1800s if you ever look at like old black and white photos and you’re like wow that the old person looks just haunted and like staring into space it’s likeThey would do family photos after they died because his photography was so rare and expensive that you would only get one picture done. So it’s just like, oh, grandpa just died. Let’s prop him up in a chair and I’ll stand around the dead body while we take this photograph. Dress up people. Get closer. Get closer. I’d hate to be there like, hey, you come sit on grandpa’s leg. Do I have to? I don’t want to sit on the dead man’s leg, okay? That’s just a personal preference. Hold on a second, guys. I’m going to play a little message and then we’re going to wrap things up. All right. This is Jonathan. And this is Heaven from the OpaGhost podcast. And you’re listening to Mondo Freako. Toodles. Mondo Freako. Mondo Freako.Mondo Frico. And I mouthed all that. See that? I know. You do the different voices and everything. It’s crazy. Yeah, look at that. Mondo Frico. Mondo Frico. So it sounds like, I mean, from early on, poltergeist thing out the window. This is just an excuse to be in the paper, get noticed. Poor Tina. Yeah. Not got a chance that this actually really happened is what you guys think. Yeah, correct. I mean, you asked in the quiz at the beginning, like, oh, was it the parents just messing with her? I’m like, and you’re saying like, well, maybe there was an incident that happened before and then it started. Then they decided to start faking things. There’s no reason that can’t all be true. That the parents, the foster parents might have just messed with her one time and she just ran with it. Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing is the story is all told about her and stuff, but I still…would like to know, I mean, I’m not accusing them because we don’t have evidence either, but I’m like, I want to know what the foster parent, like, what did they have a hand in it? Were they a part of the part of like getting her in front of the media? Like that sort of stuff. because I could very, like I said, especially back in the day before it was so easy to get yourself out in front of people that I could easily see, you know, not trying to put that. My mom was a foster parent. So I’m not saying they’re all messed up, but I could easily see being a foster parent and being like, man, it’d be great if we could, you know, get some more money or be more known and be like, well, we can abuse this situation and, you know, let’s make Tina seem crazy and haunted. And, oh, now look, now the cameras are here and people are paying attention to us. And it’s just like, like I said, I’m not accusing them because like I said, also, maybe they’re completely innocent because we don’t have the proof. I’m just saying I could easily see it either way. And I find it hard to believe that a 14-year-old girl on her own would think up a scheme of being haunted to get famous. Nope.and stuff oh that sounds exactly what a 14 year old girl would come up with. I guess i could see them coming up with it, but most 14 year olds also like when things start getting get like the press sort of, things are gonna have like you you lose your nerve real quick like oh i may have a bigger hole than i can even if i believed in, like, the ghost and poltergeist and and all that all that jazz and i would still be skeptical, especially since this came out, again, at the height of the poltergeist movie craze yeah Like, if this came out and, like, if this incident had happened in, like, you know, 1978 or something like that, I mean, I’d still be like, this is dumb, but it would make more sense. Yeah, if it was more during the bikini car wash phase, I would be a little bit less skeptical. Like, this almost sounds like it was viral marketing for the Poltergeist movie, is what this situation was. Well, I think, obviously, it had to be of some note because, as we mentioned, James Randi got involved, and he wasn’t necessarily…I mean, he, he didn’t just go where the wind blew, he usually was there to disprove things that everybody else seemed to think that was, was real, like Kreskin and, and Yuri Geller, and all these famous people that were, you know, claiming their psychic abilities, he would show up and be like, Yeah, not so fast, buddy. I gotta I mean, and this is, you know, hindsight, you know, and stuff. We’re talking about this in the uh in the in the in the future after all this has happened and all that sort of stuff, but still, I gotta say, and robert just pulled it up again, that the photo of her, the, the phone photo, the alleged, you know, big phone photo that to me is like, really, you didn’t think that looked like it really, to me. And like i said, once again, this is me with my hindsight eyes. So maybe that’s part of the, you know, I have a bias, but to me, it really looks like, no, she do like, I just feel like she threw the phone.Like the photo doesn’t look like if she was sitting there and the phone was like, like hovering next to her head, but it seems like lean back at an angle and it looked, and the phone looks like it’s moving away from her words. Like she, she, she threw the phone and they snapped the photo. I don’t know. It just doesn’t that, that their, their photo, like I said, does not, is not convincing. But once again, it could be because I have hindsight eyes and I’m, I’m biased because I already know how the story played out and stuff, but, um so it keeps me from seeing it objectively. I can admit that maybe that could be partly what’s going on and it is i’m looking at it as well. I should bring it up on the screen, but i i don’t want to mess everything up. If I do that, I’ll probably. Yeah. Well, so i also i thought it was funny that the foster parents names were joan and John. But interestingly enough, they fostered 250 kids throughout their life, which is just. And this is the only one that had a poltergeist apparently. Yeah. Yeah.No, I mean, who knows? Maybe that’s why they foster so many kids. They’re trying to find another haunted kid. They’re like, we got one. How many dead children are buried in their basement? That place may actually be haunted. Yeah, that would be interesting, wouldn’t it? Well, I think we can conclusively say from all of our opinions that Tina Vash was not the poltergeist kid. And the poor lady gets no credit for anything other than murdering her daughter. Yeah, she gets some credit for murdering her daughter. Yeah, I want to know more about that yeah yeah because it really sounds to me like the boyfriend did the murder Yeah, and i’m like, oh, you got away with it. Because didn’t the kid, they’d specifically say that the kid died as a result of an injury while with while in his care, yeah. So is the boyfriend, like, are they both in jail, or it was it just her? Because, like, if they’re both in jail, I could see questionsSee it as maybe. Yeah, like I said, we’re taking this from a mystery and supernatural podcast into the true crime podcast now. We’re pivoting now. Yeah, we’re pivoting to true crime here. Let’s see what it says here. Conviction and imprisonment. She changed her name to Boyer, which they don’t really ever explain. Even though her boyfriend’s name was David Heron. Maybe she was… It was on Unsolved Mysteries segment in 1993. The Alfred plea. I’m doing some quick research here. It doesn’t really say. Cruelty to children. It doesn’t say what happened. I don’t know. I’m reading about this. Amber was the daughter that died. She had a penchant for jumping out of moving cars. I don’t think this was a murder situation. I think this kid was justhurt herself. Yeah. Tuck and roll, Amber! I mean A sad story all around. We got it very very very sad but i mean could that i mean, I’m just saying that because i mean i see she’s not she’s not guilty what if she’s not what if her alfred plea was legit? Like, she knew yeah so it says, what happened to david Heron? Who was David harris He was the boyfriend. Unfortunately, he had a violent streak she later mentioned and she was abused physically, mentally, and sexually by her husband. Well, this got unfun. Did he go to jail? I’m just saying. There’s a picture of him going to jail. I haven’t gotten that far, but it looks like he went to jail maybe for something else.it doesn’t uh it doesn’t uh it doesn’t uh no no i see here david yeah 20 no no i see here david yeah 20 no no i see here david yeah 20 years why do we 20 years but years why do we 20 years but years why do we 20 years but he’s got not guilty for the murder he’s got not guilty for the murder he’s got not guilty for the murder 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah 20 years in prison we got out in 2011. yeah so yeah if you’re if he hears this so yeah if you’re if he hears this so yeah if you’re if he hears this uh by the way he’ll know uh by the way he’ll know uh by the way he’ll know no i live in scranton pennsylvania no i live in scranton pennsylvania no i live in scranton pennsylvania that’s that’s that’s true yeah true yeah true yeah i work for a paper company i work for a paper companyYeah. My office is right next to oscars or whatever. Yeah. Oscar was one of the characters on that show yeah yeah but yeah dark turn. Yeah. I feel like we’ve really gotten away from when was the last time that they had any kind of supernatural thing on the news or the television? Really? Like, I think we’ve moved past oh yeah i don’t think that whole like oh you can move things with my mind and stuff like that was a very, like, 70s, 80s, 90s thing, and then it’s fallen off in the new century. I think with a lot of the, like I said, it’s kind of everybody, and especially now that we have AI even more so, we’ve developed more and more tools where even if, let’s say, that supernatural stuff was legit, it’s so easy with the tools we’ve made, it’s so easy to fake now. It’s one of those things like, okay, well, if one person is fake, we all just assume thatall of it’s fake now. So I’m not saying i do believe or don’t believe. I believe more or don’t believe. But still, I’m not saying i do or don’t believe. But I will say because you can find five million videos online of people with, oh, a ghost or, oh, this is floating. And you can also find, you know, how-to tutorials on how to do those videos yourself or how to use ai to make it look like, you know, you’re moving stuff with your mind. So it’s just, it’s so hard that if someone does cut, thank you thank you uh if someone does come along and so like, look, I have psychic powers i’m gonna be like, oh, no, that’s just some clever video editing or that’s just some, you know, behind the scenes tricks or there’s, you know, like said magicians, a bunch of magicians have shown us how people could do cold reads and stuff to appear to be psychics or they’ve shown us how people can do stuff to make it look like they’re moving stuff for their minds. So I’m just like.Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so i’m just like, I think that’s why it’s died down is this is right it’s too hard. Even if you did have, like i said, I feel sorry if you are legitly a psychic today. Like if there was literally someone who was a psychic and he’s like, no, look at this. I can move this with my mind. Everybody like, no, no, that’s just some strings, man. And it’s like, no, I’m doing it with my mind. No strings. Like, sure you are, buddy. Sure you are. Like, I just feel like if you legitly had powers you would have the hardest time in the world convincing people because it’s just everyone would be like, right, right. No, I’ve seen this before. He’s using the camera and there’s a guy back there. I know how it’s done. Everybody’s a know-it-all too. So they’d be like, no, I know how it’s done. I know, I’ve seen a video of this. I know how it’s done. And I think you’re right. I think that basically people kind of like this case with Tina have taken something that was, that may or may not have happened and then start attributing it to themselves. Like they’re causing it, right?but that doesn’t ever really happen. I mean, you, you’re right. There isn’t any convincing evidence to say that people can do that and they cannot do it with any kind of regularity or effectiveness that isn’t, uh, typically, you know, found out to be some type of a trick like bending spoons or, or any of that kind of stuff. Or even if you’re predicting something, because it’s just like you, Everybody can throw it, like the kid or whatever. Oh, the kid died, you know, whatever. You mentioned earlier. Yeah. Anybody can make a prediction, and it may hit. You just never know. It could be random, right? And things generally people don’t bring up, you know, the kid to have an ice cream down the block waiting for you to screw up. That’s not the prediction. They always want to know about dead people or this or that or whatever. But I don’t think that that totally precludes the weirdnessof things that happen in everyday life that aren’t attributable to people, that just happen and you just happened upon them or happen to be in the area when they take place. And I’m also a big proponent on it doesn’t have to happen at night. Things can happen at any time during the day in any place and you just happen to be fortunate enough to be there when it does. And it’s not you. It’s just you happen to be there. And so those are the kind of things that I find interesting. Unfortunately, this isn’t one of them. There have been some other ones that have happened. Next time, Bob. Next time. Bring us the real deal. I actually have, and you guys are privy to this ahead of time, but I actually have constructed a database that randomly feeds me these things.Is it AI powered? No, it is not. I pulled a bunch of data down in different categories and I click a button and it randomizes, draws from that data and randomizes and gives me a topic. And then basically I look at the topic and I think about who’s going to be on with me. And I say, oh, this might be good for these guys to talk about or whoever. And that’s why we got Tina Roche today. Nice, nice. Now you should create a separate database that randomizes your guest. And then it just says, we’re going to do this story with these guests. Make email sent. Everybody is not always available. That’s always the hard part. So I have to see who’s available. But thanks, guys, for being on. It’s been a pleasure. I will quote you as nonbelievers. And you think all it is is AI these days. But Tina was popular back in 84.And then she got popular again after she murdered her child. So all’s well that ends well. But maybe not for Tina’s child. That’s a weird note to end on. Well, I mean, as crazy as she was, maybe she got off that train before. As crazy as she was, she’ll come out and she’ll be a TikTok sensation once she gets out of jail. But you guys hang on for just a second. We’re going to close it out, and we’ll see everybody else next time. Rico!
