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Sallie House with Houston Pierce
Episode 3
Sunday, 8 February, 2026

Sallie House The Sallie House, located in Atchison, Kansas, is widely regarded as one of the most haunted locations in the United States. Its notoriety stems primarily from the 1990s, when Tony and Debra Pickman moved into the home and experienced a series of increasingly violent paranormal events. While the house has a long history, the legend centers on “Sallie,” a young girl who allegedly died in the house during a botched, unanesthetized appendectomy performed by a doctor who lived there in the early 20th century. Although historical records of this specific death are debated, the activity reported within the walls is chillingly consistent. 1000 Crazy Questions https://youtube.com/live/X-c8hqst360 Transcript (AI transcription) I see you have a lot of lights there in your space. Do they ever float around the room? Yeah, but only when you’re not looking. You turn around, you look, and then they stop. It’s kind of like the boo thing from Mario. Yes and no. Yes and no. Well, that’s good. I’m glad it’s not too terrible for you. welcome to mondo frico i’ve got used to peers from 1000 crazy questions Podcast. We’re going to talk about some weird stuff tonight. But not a thousand things. Only one. I’ll let him do the thousand part. How’s it going tonight? It’s going good. It’s going cool. It’s a nice, warm winter day. uh over where i am uh i go by Houston, but i’m currently living in Colorado, so it’s it’s really weird. It’s really weird that i got you want to be dead with Pierce? It doesn’t have the same ring to it no it doesn’t uh but yeah no it’s it’s going cool it’s i mean it’s going warm. Yeah. You could be uh coors pierce that would be good.Coors? Oh, like Coors, Denver? Yeah. I found out that was actually a spot in Denver a week ago. Oh, really? Yeah, I didn’t know that. Coors is actually a city called Coors? Yeah, that’s the thing. Coors is a place. I just love the beer. That’s all I thought. Is it in Denver? I know there’s a place called Coors. I mean, somewhere in there in Colorado, but yeah. Yeah. That’s interesting. Well, we aren’t going to talk about Colorado this week. We’re going to, well, actually, I shouldn’t. Do you want to take the quiz first? You want me to tell you what we’re going to talk about? Let’s quiz. I’ll do this. Oh, he’s going to go right into it. Yeah. Confident in myself. Let’s go. Quiz. Quiz. Quiz. I can’t believe he opted for the quiz right out of the gate. So this is going to be really interesting because he doesn’t, Houston doesn’t know anything about the topic tonight. I picked the topic.And so he’s going to try his luck at the quiz. Let me see if I can get this to work here, Houston. I’ve got some new stuff going on here. If I can find it, there it is. Oh, that’s the wrong one. Hold on a second. That’s not what we wanted. I was like, that’s easy. Yeah, that was easy. That’s a one question quiz. One question. I think it looks like a website. What is a website, Bob? Here we go. All right, there we are. Can you see that at all? Maybe not too big. Okay, I can see now. It’s coming into focus. Okay, good. So this is the quiz for tonight’s topic, which is the Sally House. The Sally House is in Kansas, and it is one of the most haunted houses in America. Ready? Ready?Are you ready for this quiz? In which Kansas town is the Sally House located? You got Wichita, Atchison, a very spooky Walmart parking lot, or Topeka? I’ll actually give you a hint if you want it. I’ll save my hint for later, Bob. I want to use up my lifelines all at once. I have a strong feeling It’s B, just because it sounds like a place that this would be. Atchison sounds creepy, decrepit, and spooky. Wichita, like witch, is a little too on the nose. All Walmart parking lots are haunted. They’re not special. So it’s not the most haunted. I know it’s not there. Topeka, maybe, but I’m just going to say B off of gut instinct of how that sounds very witch, I mean haunted-like. It sounds very haunted. B for Atchison. Atchison.Okay. Let’s see what happens. Oh, there we go. Sorry. I hit the wrong button again. That’s right. It is Atchison, Kansas. And the funny thing is I have actually been to Atchison and I’ve actually stood in front of the Sally house. Oh, whoa. Yeah. We’ll talk more about that later, but, uh, Move on to question number two. So you’re one up. I don’t know if you can see that little green thing there, but you’re one up. So there you go. Keep track for us here. According to the legend, what surgery was being performed on Sally when she allegedly died from the Sally house? A, a wisdom tooth extraction. B, a tonsillectomy. C, appendicitis. Oh, my. I thought I was doing so good. Appendectomy or D, a tragic accident involving a runaway unicycle. Oh, no. I have a hint if you want it. You can take a hint. Okay, I’ll take a hint on this one. I was feeling, but I’ll take a hint. It involves the removal of a small finger-shaped pouch in the abdomen.Oh, okay. I wish I had gone with my gut because this confirms my gut feeling. I think it’s the appendectomy. The C, the C one. That’s right. That’s right. The story says she died during an emergency appendectomy. Wow. Well, you’re doing great. You got two for two. Didn’t even know the topic. Yeah, I should have not taken the hint. I wanted to keep the streak of just hitting them without hints, but it’s too late. It’s too late. Too late. Yeah, well, I think I threw you there because I couldn’t pronounce everything. But here we go. This looks like I can get here. Which family lived in the house during the 1990s and brought the case to national attention? The Ghostbusters, the Winchesters, the Pickmans, or the Addams Family? I got a hint still.Oh, we have a hint for each one in case you need it. Oh, okay. Okay. So no hit this time, just cause I want it. I want to redeem myself. Uh, the ghostbusters are a team of four. I don’t know if they, they, they have a, Oh, you know what? I know. So I noticed the ghostbusters cause they have a firehouse. I know not to pick that one. In New York, not in Kansas. Exactly. You almost tricked me. The Evans family, no. I think this is the Winchesters. I’m saying that off of background knowledge from some paranormal show I saw one time. It’s a very out there name. Pickman’s is very normal. It’s either B or C, but I’m going to go with B.Want to go with B? Yep. Oh. Pickman. Pickman. No, it was the Pickmans. Tony and Deborah Pickman documented their terrifying experiences in the Sally house. Sorry. Dang. I should have taken that. Only one wrong but two right. So you’re still doing good. You’re doing great. Let’s move on to the next one here. Number four, what physical evidence frequently appeared on Tony Pickman’s body? A, passive-aggressive sticky notes. B, glowing green handprints. C, temporary tattoos of butterflies. Or D, scratches and welts. Oh, wow. This is interesting. I don’t know what to do here. I’ll take the hint this time. You going to take the hint this time? With no shame. This is tough. Think of the marks left by fingernails or claws. Okay. Oh, well, passive-aggressive sticky notes, of course. Are you really going to go with that one? No, I’ll go with D. I’ll go with D. D, scratches and welts. Scratches and welts. That’s right.i want to say the notes, that were funny. They found passive aggressive digging yeah tony was famously the target of aggressive physical attacks by an entity in the sally house. entity some sort of Classic haunting signs. Exactly. So we’re on number five of seven. You’ve got three. You get one more. Essentially, you’re gonna be a winner. So we’ve got two more tries here, or three more tries to get it, but you’ll be fine. We’ll see. Which 1990s paranormal show first featured the house in its investigations? The Great British Bake Off Haunted Edition, Ghost Adventures, X-Files, or Sightings? Ooh. Okay. No hint this time. I’m going to win this game, honest. And the Great British Bake Off… That’s a good one. Ghost of Interest, I think, came out in the early 2000s. X-Files, I know. Sightings, I don’t know. But I know it’s either C or D for this one. I’m going to say, oh, man, Sightings, actually, because X-Files is more about fictional supernatural things, I think, or stories more so. Yeah, I’m going to say Sightings.Sightings. Wow, I love the way you work your way through these things. That’s right. Sightings is it. Okay. Sightings ran multiple segments on the Sally House. So there you go. All right. You’re already winning, but we have a couple more questions if you want to just work through them. Oh, yeah. Let’s go. Who was the doctor that actually owned and lived in the house during the early 1900s? Was it Dr. Phil? No. Dr. Seuss, Dr. Frankenstein, or Dr. Charles Finney? I am going to say Dr. Phil. No joke. Because Phil is actually a common name. There’s not one of the odds it’s actually the Dr. Phil. I’m saying it’s Dr. Phil. I’m so serious. You want to say Dr. Phil? I’m saying Phil. It could be Dr. Phil. Okay.Oh, no. Dr. Charles Finney. Not every Phil is the Dr. Phil, you know? Dr. Phil Houston, you got a problem. Number seven, last one. You’re still a winner here. What is a common theory among modern paranormal investigators about the entity Sally? A, the ghost is just a very confused squirrel. B, is it a demon mimicking a child? C, it’s actually the ghost of a grumpy landlord. Or D, it’s a residual recording with no intelligence. Residual recording with no intelligence. Intelligents, yes. I’m going to say B, demon mimicking a child. The demon mimicking a child. And that’s right. There you go. Maybe believe the violent nature of the house suggests a darker entity. Wow. Great job. All right. Great job. You got five out of seven. And you won the night here with the Sally House. I’ll take it. Can you believe it? Yeah. No prep. Only two hints or three hints.there you go. Or four hints. But yeah, I don’t know. We’ll be right back with what about, we’ll talk more about the sally house just a second mondo frico this is jonathan and this is heaven from the opa ghost podcast and you’re listening to mondo frico Toodles. Toodles. Toodles. Toodles. All right, so let’s hear a little bit more detail about Sally House. You chose to do the quiz first, and so now we’re going to get some content. So the Sally House was located in Atchison, Kansas, which we talked about. It’s widely regarded as one of the most haunted locations in the United States. Its notoriety stems primarily from the 1990s when Tony and Deborah Pickman moved into the home and experienced a series of increasingly violent paranormal events.While the house has a long history, the legend centers on Sally, a young girl who allegedly died in the house during a botched, unanesthetized appendectomy performed by a doctor who lived there in the early 20th century. Although historical records of the specific death are debated, the activity reported within the walls is chillingly consistent. The phenomena at the Sally house are distinct for their physical and malevolent nature and Unlike many hauntings that consist of residual footsteps or distant voices, the activity here often targeted toward Tony Pickman directly. He reported sustaining unexplained scratches, welds, and even burns on his back and chest during his residency. Beyond physical attacks, the family witnessed objects flying across the room, small fires breaking out spontaneously, and the sounds of a child’s voice. These events were extensively documented by paranormal researchers andand featured on the television show Sightings, which catapulted the house to national infamy. Today, the Sally House remains a holy grail for paranormal investigators, though it is often described as having a dual personality. While some visitors believe they are interacting with an innocent, playful spirit of a young girl, many others, including seasoned demonologists, warn that a much more sinister entity may be mimicking a child to lure people in. The home is currently open for overnight stays and tours. allowing the brave to test the legend for themselves in a space that many believe still harbors a deep-seated resentment toward living. What do you think about that, Houston? My initial thoughts are, how much do they charge to rebuild this place? I don’t know. That’s a good question. I’ll look that up while we’re talking. Because that’s…I don’t get the people. If anyone’s watching this and they are one of those people who go to haunted places and actually, not even haunted places, but pay money to go to haunted places to stay the night, I don’t understand you. $250 a night. $250? Yes, $250. Oh, my God. Now, the interesting thing is, let’s see if I can… successfully share my screen again. But the interesting thing is it’s not much of a house. Yeah. There you go. You can see the picture there i think uh houston see this this is the house. You see it yeah yeah and so uh my son and i walked all the way up to the house right there yeah uh onto the onto the front porch to take a look. Here’s some pictures inside the house, right? And of course, they gotcreepy dolls everywhere. You got to have them. Yeah. So the kitchen needs to be updated, I think. And then, of course, a child’s room to make it even more freaky. Yeah. So, yeah. So what’s your… There you go. There’s Sally House in winter. Yeah. It looks nicer. What do you think about that as far as… Do you believe the story, first of all? Uh… Okay, so background on me. I do believe in the supernatural stuff of everything because of my faith. So it all checks clear for me, truthfully. I don’t really mess with the stuff. I am not enamored with it. I am mildly fascinated. However, yeah, so it’s kind of an easy sell for me. The funny thing is, though, to me, it’s…If you if you know other people of other religions and beliefs or just don’t believe if you don’t believe in these things, why are you spending money to like, why are you paying so much money to spend your night in a drafty house like a rat? I mean, there’s two options when you spend money to go here either. Nothing happens, and everyone’s kind of crazy, and you just spend the night at a really crappy house, and you wasted $250. Or it’s real. You find out the supernatural is real, and you get scratched. The two outcomes are really bad. Either you’ve wasted money, or you get what you get. So that’s where I stand. I think I’ve offended some people. I’m sorry. No, no, I don’t think so. What?You’re right, it is a crappy house. Look at it. There’s a picture right there. It’s a lose-lose. I’m saying going up to see it is one thing. Or going in for free is cool. Okay, but to pay? Yeah, I understand that. But to be like, here’s, and not just paying like $5, but $250 for that. Yeah. Here’s my Airbnb, and they listed this photo. Well, it looks nice and creepy, though, doesn’t it? Yeah. Yeah, I guess, you know, if you want, I think you’re only making your money’s worth if you believe in the supernatural and you want to get scratched and you want to get tortured or or hear some type of little girl voice or whatever. If you like getting scared. Like to this degree, that this is like a haunted house on steroids, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.Yeah, so the story is… These people spent the night, I think. Maybe a ghost hunting crew. It’s all fascinating. I don’t think I’d have the guts, honestly, to even do it. Oh, no, I would definitely not do it. There’s nothing worse to me than getting scratched by someone I don’t know. Yeah. Oh, I actually already know that fact because on my show, we brought that up. Yeah. I remember, but it wasn’t being scratched. It was about being touched in general, but I remember… Being touched in general, yes. I don’t want to have all that happen, yeah. Scratch is worse. Yeah, scratch is, yeah. So I totally agree. So the reason I actually went there is my son and I went there. We were staying. We were in Kansas City for some other stuff. And we had some time one afternoon. And I’m like, well, he’s like, we want to run up there. I said, sure, let’s go up there.And so it’s not that close, but, I mean, you know, it was within, I think, an hour and a half or something. So we ran up there and, like, had lunch and then went to the Sally House and wandered around and got pictures and everything outside of it. We did not pay the $250. But, no, I think it’s totally possible. I mean, it is a creepy – I mean, they’ve certainly let it look creepy by all the paint flaking off. I think that helps themselves. the tickets honestly, I think, but yeah. It’s not in a bad neighborhood or anything. It’s actually, um, uh, on the bluff, uh, of the, of the river there. And so it’s, you can’t see the river from there, but if you walk like a half a block or a block or something, then you’re, uh, right there on the bluff. And the other thing is, the crazy thing is it’s right around the corner from Amelia. I think it’s Amelia Earhart’s childhood home.Really? So we went to that as well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I want to go down the street and check Amelia Earhart’s childhood home in one of the most haunted places in America. Yeah. Yeah. Here it’s in, it’s in Atchison here. I’m going to get a picture. The funny thing is it doesn’t look that much different than the Sally house here when I show it to you. So yeah, Amelia Earhart’s childhood home is right there. And it looks nicer, right? Yeah. And so then you can go and you can see some of her effects because she passed away quite a while ago now. But yeah, that’s where she grew up. And then not too far across the street kind of a ways is on a bluff in the river. But yeah, literally, it’s not even a block away from the Sally house, which to me is justwhich nobody mentions. I’m like, can you believe it? This is like Amelia Earhart’s home is right there as well. How much did they pay for you to go in the Amelia Earhart house? I think it was free to be honest with you. Oh my gosh. It was just like a little, I just took a donation. I don’t know, but I don’t remember like paying any, you know, any amount of money. Yeah. I think it was donation based. So. I mean, that’s actually, that’s pretty nice. I guess if Amelia Earhart herself were in there haunting people, you can then charge. Yeah. Maybe you’d change the marketing a little bit. If it’s just museum-like, then it’s whatever. But what are your thoughts, though, on the whole demon story for the Sally House, though? Oh, I think it can be entirely possible. I think, you know, these kind of, I don’t know that it’s a demon, because I have a slightly different take ona lot of this stuff in the sense that, you know, people love to attribute, you know, if you get hurt or something that it’s evil when it could just be misunderstood, I suppose, you know, maybe it, it doesn’t, you know, like when kids are little, they, they, when you’re, when you have little kids, they hurt their parents constantly, accidentally. I always joked whenever my, kids were little. I said, I’m glad I wore glasses because if I didn’t, I would have lost an eye because they’re constantly like flinging things or flailing around. And so you you you get inadvertently hurt whenever they’re, you know, throwing a fit or whatever. Actually, one time this actually happened. My daughter was not even, I don’t even think she was two years old yet, or maybe just barely, you know, barely getting around, walking around and everything andand I was putting together a swing set for her and she got a hold of the, the chain, um, for the swing. And it was all covered in plastic except for the end. And somehow she swung it and, and scratched the cornea of my wife’s eye. Oh, yeah. Hit her right in the eye, but not hard. Like not like hit her in the face with a chain. She, she barely grazed it and it, she, She scratched the car and had to go to the emergency room. Oh, that’s terrible. And so, yeah, that’s why I’m always like, I’m glad I’m wearing glasses because then I won’t get my cornea scratched. It was really horrible for my wife, obviously. And my daughter had no idea that she did anything. But anyway, so, I mean, these entities or whatever they are, to get back to the story, could just be trying to get your attention and in doing so inadvertently harm people. Now,They do, I think, in this case, have, you know, things that seem somewhat malicious, right, as far as taunting and things like that that have happened there. But then again, you know, Demons is a little bit more, I think, too specific at this point because we don’t really know what it is, right? So I always say that I think ghosts and aliens and all that kind of stuff could all be one in the same because they’re just something that we don’t know what it is. And so a ghost could be an alien that they just appear, you know, kind of half invisible, you know what I mean? So they’re translucent, uh, and an alien could be just like a ghost, but it’s just in a more solid form. And so until we know a little bit more, I don’t think that we can, uh,you know, categorize them. So, um, until we get a little bit more information, I think we can’t tell it so that, so that, you know, everybody, all humans want to categorize things, right? That’s one of our biggest problems to be honest with you is the fact that we constantly, we all constantly want to categorize everything, you know, you’re this and you’re this and you’re a Broncos fan and you’re a, you know, whatever. And so we constantly want to put everybody in these little, uh, pockets and it causes problems. And I think we shouldn’t do that to ghosts either or aliens or anything. I’m only using the words because we don’t know what they are and that’s what everybody refers to them as. But for all we know, they could all just be different species of something else. Yeah. I mean, I hear you. We don’t know. We don’t know. We don’t know. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I don’t see… I…Yeah, I mean, I hear what you’re saying. I think I, I have a different viewpoint, but it’s funny how we were trying to kind of like figure out if the whole, you know, like, you know, ghost hunters, for example, they’ll go in and like, we’re taking our best, I don’t know if it’s our best, but our quote-unquote best tools to find ghosts. And you’re using material objects to find something on a different you know, spiritual plane or energy plane or whatever else, you know, dimension, you don’t know. And you’re taking things that we do know to find things you don’t know. And, you know, in some cases, you know, it kind of makes some sense of, you know, an EMP, like it goes, must mess with electric magnetic field. That’s such a, what a, that’s a theory of a theory. I don’t know, but yeah.In some case, it kind of makes sense. But in another case, it’s kind of funny to me. Something’s kind of… I don’t want to say it’s unknowable because I think given enough time, everything maybe could become… I won’t say everything. Most things could become knowable given enough time, I believe. However, I think that is going to take millions of years. Thousands? Thousands to not millions of years. I mean, we didn’t… Because I think it’s we just we simply don’t know. We don’t know. And I think the supernatural is something that we’re going to be digging for the rest of, you know, human existence. I mean, outside of faith, there’s nothing you can really do to prove, I think, to the land of the living. So I don’t know. So I respect the opinion of it can all be just one thing or another. Aliens are a true question mark for me. I have I have I think it’d be cool if they existed. I don’t know.I truly just leave that a question mark. The spiritual demons, stuff like that, I happen to believe because of, like I said, my faith, and I’ve had some experiences here and there. But in general, if you ask me to prove it, I can’t prove it. Yeah. Right. Now, do you want to talk anything about your experience? Tell us about an experience or no? It’s okay if you do. I don’t want to force you into it, so don’t. No, it’s fine. I have one kind of funny one I guess I could share in the chamber. Of course, you have to be young when you do these stories because no one is ever an adult. It’s always when I was a kid, so I’m sorry to be generic, but when I was a kid, I think I was making too much noise in my room or something like that, and I was being too loud. My lights were on, and my dad came into the room. He’s like, hey, it’s too late.go to the stairs and put me on some type of weird timeout, which he doesn’t really do, but he did. And so it’s late at night and I couldn’t question him. I decided to sit at the top of the stairs for an undiscriminated amount of time. He went back to his room, which was to like the right of the stairs. And I’m on the second floor, the stairs looking down. My parents’ room went to the right. He went in there. I can hear the TV on. He’s laying on the bed watching TV. My siblings are asleep. They’re in the other, the other hall to the right, to the left, which leads to my bedroom, my sister’s bedroom, whatever else. So, um, it’s, it’s, I don’t know what time of night it is. It’s late. Um, and I’m on this weird timeout and I’m like, do I go downstairs? And I, I kind of crawled downstairs a little bit just because, just because, and I can, I can see, I, yeah. And I can see the oven light, you know, the little microwave light, you know, it’s, it’s on. And I, I look down and I can see in a picture of,the room, the kitchen’s behind the stairs back in the, there’s a main living room and there’s a picture that it’s reflecting the light from the kitchen on the, on the paint, on the picture. And I look at the picture and it looks like there is a woman standing in the kitchen with blonde hair and she’s like making something at the oven. And I freaked out, you know, but I, I was, I stayed quiet. I go back up the stairs. Like, I didn’t, did I see that? I, I, I do that. I rub my eyes. I’m like, okay, I’m awake. Right. I go back down. I look at the picture again across the way. And sure enough, there’s a woman still standing there back turned to me and she’s doing like, and she’s doing this, like she’s making like her, her shoulders are moving as if she’s doing something like she’s doing something. I keep looking and I’m like this, what? You know, I keep looking. I know I am seeing this in real time, like with time passing. And I’m like, I think I must’ve been, I don’t know, 13 or something like that.They’re 12 or 11. I don’t know. I tried to muster up the courage to look through the stairs to actually see into the kitchen with my own eyes because I know it could be a trick off the light of the picture. I got close, and then I made a sound on the stairs and I freaked out right upstairs. I couldn’t do it. I opened up the room to my parents’ room and he was like, Dad, Dad, and he’s asleep. And he fell asleep and left you on the stairs. He just left me there. I’m like, Oh my God. Well, at least you were inside. Yeah. And I go back to my room and I tell him, he didn’t make you go on the front porch and then leave you out there. Stay in here and just close the door. Stay here. He does. I don’t even know what that time I think was about. I’ve usually, I don’t even get those weird timeout things, but anyway, so that’s my story. That’s a brief. I have other family members with more in depth stories and weirder ones and whatever else I’ve,Some other little ones. But that’s what I think. That’s like the first one that I could think of to me that I saw. Did you ever see it again? Did you ever see it again? That specific blonde ghost in my house? No, but then again, I wasn’t up late at night looking down the stairs with the thing again. But yeah. Well, that’s interesting, though. She was benevolent. If she was a ghost, she was benevolent. I’ll say that much. But yeah. Right. She was making breakfast or something. Yeah. Or whatever. That’s wild because… So now, would there normally be any blonde women in your house at that point? No. Not really. Okay. You didn’t go, Dad, your girlfriend’s downstairs making breakfast. No. Not really. There weren’t too many blonde women coming in and out the house, truthfully. Yeah. It was certainly…It was certainly, there was also, I forgot this detail. There was like smoke or whatever, or like a steam rising from the front of her. So it looked like she was really making something on the oven. I couldn’t smell anything, but it was real. And the fact that I kept looking at the photo, like, you know, or that photo, the painting or whatever. And like, and she was consistently in my, that I was like, and I knew I was awake. That was the, freakiest thing, but yeah. You said you had siblings, so did any of them ever see somebody like that? No, I don’t know. I don’t think they did. You should ask them. They never know. They might have and just haven’t talked about it. I told them about it, and my sister, did my sister believe me? I don’t know if she did. She’s my older sister. She didn’t believe you. Yeah, I don’t think she believed me.Or maybe she didn’t. I don’t know. Maybe she did. I must have freaked out my little brother. I know that. If I told him, he probably forgot. You’re telling me, I’m trying to think of a famous blonde person from when you were little. I can’t think of one. Will and Grace was in there. That’s too early, right? That’s 90s. That’s too early. This is like around 2007. 2007? six, maybe eight at the latest was probably six or seven. Yeah, something like that. Maybe even five. I don’t know. Cool story, though. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it. I mean, that’s one of those ones that’s a lot better than some. So I always have a problem with the sound ones, right? Or the, you know, you know, I heard something, right? Becauseyou’re, you know, you can hear a lot of things, right? I have a, I have, I heard something one and, and I don’t even totally believe it, but I do believe it happened, but it’s really hard to explain, but you know what I mean? It’s not, it’s not like I heard a creek down the hallway. Um, I heard something right in my ear. And so it was like right next to me, but, um, you know, you actually had this visual and you saw it more than once. So you, You engaged, you broke off looking at it, then you looked at it again, everything was still happening, and it obviously was not the norm. The only thing, I mean, I wouldn’t bring up my thing to a paranormal demonologist, paranormal investigator, whatever, because I wasn’t able to actually even see with my own eyes. I can’t say I saw. There is a flaw in my story of how I did want to see, even as a kid,if I can turn the corner and see this with my own eyes, cause then I’m like, I know I’m not, the light isn’t playing a trick on me. You know, I wasn’t too naive to know that this could just be some light trick, but the fact that I saw enough movement, it was like clearly a blonde woman. Like I don’t, I’m not asleep, but yeah. Oh, that’s wild. Well, so I guess you, cause you won the quiz tonight. You could have, free night in the sally House. No, I’m just joking let’s go that’s 250 dollar value i was gonna pay 250 plus tax for me uh no well unfortunately it’ll be an imaginary one, so just a coupon. Imagine yourself at the sally house for an evening. I’ll try to imagine you’re right it’s in the whelps. Yeah. One of the other things, I’m a little torn with this one because it does have a big reputation and there have beensome documented, you know, things with the sighting show. And I know a bunch of other shows. I know ghost adventures has actually been there since, uh, at some point in time. I know they were there and even some other ghost shows. A lot of ghost shows have been there, but i’m a little torn because my other, um, kind of rule on things with this kind of stuff is if somebody’s charging money, then you have to be extra skeptical because yeah it’s in their best interest for it to be, Haunted. This one is a little different because i don’t think they actually started running it out until much later. Like, just recently, you know, within the last 10 years so if all this stuff happened in the 90s. It was only in the last 10 years that they actually are renting it out. So, a little bit of separation from the events uh that made it famous to when they’re cashing in on it um but uh yeah it was but it is definitely a spooky looking house. And soI think maybe there’s something there, but a little bit of, you know, a little bit of salt with the fact that they’re charging, especially $250. The bed didn’t even look nice. No, you’re dealing with like a sleeping bag or so. I think, right. Like there’s electricity, right. I can blow this mattress up. I agree with you. Well, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Once there’s money behind something, you know there’s extra pain on it. Like I said, I actually do kind of believe this story. I know they’re probably keeping it looking this terrible because they want to… It doesn’t have to look bad to be haunted. A new house could be haunted. The ghosts don’t care. The demon doesn’t care. It’s haunting a house. It’s the people talking in the 250. They’re like, no, keep thethe green felt-looking pool table floor. Keep it. Don’t touch it. No, no, don’t touch the old lamps and the peeling paint. No. Keep it. Have you ever spent an eye in there? Hell no. I take the money. You’ve got to spend it with walls. Goodness gracious. Haunted or not. Can you go back real quick to the doll picture? Is that a Raggedy Ann doll? Over there? Yeah, right there’s a Raggedy Ann. Yeah, those guys are creepy. I think… You know Annabelle? Yeah, I’ve heard of Annabelle. And how she was actually a Raggedy Ann. She was a Raggedy Ann doll, yeah. If they actually used the Raggedy Ann doll in the Annabelle movies, I’d be way more scared. Way, way more scared. There’s like a clown doll there. Then there’s some angels there. That makes it even more creepy. Contradicting. But yeah.Couldn’t make breakfast in this kitchen. It’s pretty sparse. Yeah. So I think on the Sally house, we’ll say potentially something to it. Yeah. What do you think? I agree. I agree. I forgot to ask you at the beginning, but because you’ve been on so many times, but a thousand crazy questions is your show. I did mention that, but I didn’t ask about it. And then, uh, if anybody wants to go check it out, it’s at a thousand crazy questions.com. Yeah. Right. Oh yeah. Follow them. Follow them on Instagram. Yeah. Have you got to a thousand yet? No. A thousand questions asked. I don’t know if I’ve asked a thousand. I know I definitely have over a thousand. Oh, there you go. Yeah. It’s a, yeah, my podcast,There’s a whole backlog, three seasons. I have one more episode before the end of the close of the third. I’ve been dragging my feet on it because I’m working on a different project. Do you want to talk about that or no? Very briefly. I’m shifting my focus to go to another passion of mine, which is movies. I’m doing a bunch of movie review stuff and working on a project in the background. I’m kind of shifting things. However, I’m not done with the podcast. It’s going to be on a break for a while. But, yeah, the back episodes are all there. And since it’s very episodic, you can click on literally any of them and still enjoy it. So, yeah. But, yeah. Evergreen content is what they say. It is. It is. Evergreen content. So, the questions are weird. And only a few of them. Never mind. I had a bad joke. I’m not going to.It was about politics. Forget it. But yeah, no, Thousand Crazy Questions, the podcast, Spotify. Some are on YouTube. I need to make some more YouTube videos, but some of them are on YouTube. Anywhere you can find podcasts. And yeah. Is your movie thing called A Thousand Crazy Movies? No. No? Okay. I’m just going by Houston Pierce with my movie content. Oh, okay. I’m just… reviewing and and doing things around movies with the name Houston. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, more to come soon. I’ll release more things with that later i’m curious now. I think we’ll check it out here. Yeah. All right. Thanks for, yeah, thanks for the plug. Yeah, well, no problem. Yeah, I should have done it earlier. I normally do at the beginning i i just we just were chatting and i just jumped right into it, so.Well, Houston, thank you so much for being here tonight, and thanks for talking about The Sally House, which is definitely not your topic of choice because I just sprung it on you. And everybody go check out A Thousand Crazy Questions and then see what he’s got in the background there with Houston Pierce doing Houston Pierce and the movies. I don’t know. What are you calling it? Do you have a title or no? I don’t yet. Okay, I’m on TikTok. I’m on TikTok at Houston Pierce. I didn’t put that in there. Oh, there you go. If you want to see movie reviews I already have out and movie-related review stuff, yeah, okay. Go to TikTok at Houston underscore Pierce, I think is my tag there. I haven’t created – I made an Instagram account, but there’s nothing on it yet. So I’m trying to figure out how to do that with Instagram and how the algorithm works. So, yeah, give me a second about that one. But TikTok at Houston Pierce. There you go. Go check it out, everybody.All right, Houston. Thanks for being here. And we’ll see you all next time with the… She doesn’t want to be disturbed.